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#319396 - 12/28/19 07:55 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Greger]
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But what did he have that she didn't have?


3 million less votes than his opponent?
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#319404 - 12/28/19 09:22 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Hamish Howl]
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#319408 - 12/28/19 09:41 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Greger
But what did he have that she didn't have?

3 million less votes than his opponent?


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#319422 - 12/29/19 06:04 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Whoever gets the nod, I hope we can have some sort of unity ticket, with somebody on it each wing of the Democratic Party supports. We really need to win this one so we can start fixing stuff Trump broke. That means a progressive and a centrist. I'm not all that excited about who is in each role, because I could live with it either way. They still can't create legislation: That's congress' job. But they can lead, and that means all Americans, not just their faction of their Party.

Congress is not going to send them wacky hyper-progressive legislation to sign, even if the progressive is the President. Likewise, congress is not going to send conservative or neocon bills after the Trump battle.

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#319442 - 12/29/19 08:47 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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At the risk of giving offense I would repeat that, even if the Dems win the election there are VERY few promises likely to be kept. The problem is the national debt. By the end of 2020 its gonna be likely that payments of the debt itself will be more than we spend on maintaining the military! (and, maybe more than that)

The simple fact is that a national debt of something like 24 TRILLION dollars costs a LOT to maintain! The only way that can be fixed is to raise taxes and plow it all back into the debt until its manageable. This also means that everybody will work very hard to rank on the Dems for doing something like that which will, again, bring back the Repubublicans so they can, yet again, increase the national debt.

So, first and foremost, support whoever is running as the Democrat, just don't make any difference. Someplace in all of this there was a bumper sticker suggested. It looked like:

"Who cares? At least he's not Trump" (change "he's" to appropriate for candidate)

The simple fact is that is the goal and everything else is secondary. Stop the Democratic internals, the maligning of the Democratic opposition, etc. and just get it done!!!!!!! The promises, no matter how good, bad, or indifferent just don't make any difference - not gonna happen! The Republicans are making sure of that one right now!

The Trump efforts to control the debt are pretty simple and quite public. If its for education, healthcare, the poor, the environment, the needy, etc. cut it. If its for corporations or the upper 10% spend it or give it away! The Dems would be much better off if they stopped attacking each other and work on that a bit.

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#319444 - 12/29/19 09:06 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Greger
But what did he have that she didn't have?


3 million less votes than his opponent?


It should have been 10 million. It should have been more.

But it wasn't. Why? Charisma.
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#319450 - 12/30/19 12:05 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: jgw]
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I think the debt problem is pretty simple:

1. Change the tax structure back to what it was in the past that worked so well. (Pretty conservative, no?)

2. Stop spending so much on the military. Like only spend half as much and we will still have the strongest military on Earth, by far. This has to be done gradually, so we don't throw a bunch of people out of work.

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#319456 - 12/30/19 01:06 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: jgw]
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Quote:
So, first and foremost, support whoever is running as the Democrat


Vote blue no matter who?

No. I will vote for a progressive candidate or not at all. I simply will not vote for Biden.

You want me to vote blue? Nominate sanders or Warren, it's just that simple.
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#319459 - 12/30/19 01:26 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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You don't want AOC and Bernie to get good committee assignments? Because even if Biden is President, they will. With Republican majorities they won't. For progressives to have any effect on our political future, a Democrat has to win. If Trump is in there for another 4 years, progressive members of Congress do nothing.

If Trump wins, I'm not even sure we will have 2024 elections. Progressives will be in labor camps, and Democrats will not be allowed to vote because they all committed the felony of lese majaste.*

*insulting the King

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#319466 - 12/30/19 03:41 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: pondering_it_all]
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If Biden wins he will be a failure and a one term president. Democrats will lose in 2024 and will not get another shot for 8 more years.

If Trump gets another term he will completely destroy the Republican Party and the credibility of evangelicals. (along with the world economy)

If Sanders wins he might be a one term president and he might get beaten in 2024 by a Republican...but he will go out a hero. And people will follow him and emulate him...and ultimately my agenda will be served.
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