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#319469 - 12/30/19 01:53 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Sanders will be framing arguments in a way that we haven’t seen since FDR. Nobody who’s supporting him should seriously think he will get the corporate parties to roll over and pass his agenda. His record tells you he will beat them around the head and shoulders mercilessly and make them justify their phony economics and politics to working class voters. Beating them down over time to creat a toehold for further progressive leftists to follow.
I sincerely hope he burns the DCCC and DSCC to the ground forcing representatives to draw support from their voters instead of those two corporate fronts. Imagine the political realignment that could make. Horror to some, rain for others.

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#319483 - 12/31/19 01:29 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Did I just see a headline that said Joe Biden is open to a Republican running mate? That's really gonna boost his chances.

Old Uncle Joe is going to reach across the aisle and heal the nation...

It's feckin insanity but I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth.
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#319484 - 12/31/19 02:25 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Did I just see a headline that said Joe Biden is open to a Republican running mate? That's really gonna boost his chances.

Old Uncle Joe is going to reach across the aisle and heal the nation...

It's feckin insanity but I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth.


Sorry, but I don't think I can wrap my brain around something like that. And it's NOT even because they are "Republican" in the generic sense but because they are what passes for Republican today. This isn't 1960, this is 2019, and the Republicans who even COULD fit such a concept AINT IN the Republican Party anymore.

But more importantly, where would such a running mate's loyalties lie? That is the problem, because if their loyalties lie WITH that party as it is today, it means their loyalties lie with Trump, because today's Republican Party is the Party of Trump.

If it was the Party of Ike Eisenhower then maybe I could consider it. There are no Nelson Rockefellers or Ike Eisenhowers.

And in any case, we're so far to the Right right now that the very last thing we need is a 6000 ton barge dragging us even further in that direction when what we need is to land somewhere around center-Left.

And from where we sit right now, even the very center itself seems light years away.
No thanks, hard pass, sorry.
I think Biden is losing his marbles.
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#319486 - 12/31/19 04:04 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Best take I’ve read:

Why not? Obama did it!

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#319487 - 12/31/19 04:21 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Quote:
Why not? Obama did it!


That's funny. And accurate.
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#319488 - 12/31/19 05:31 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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Why not? Obama did it!


That's funny. And accurate.


Unfortunately, as it turns out, it IS way too close for comfort, and I guess no one should be surprised.
It's too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the GOP right after shooting down the public option. Biden could choose him.
Maybe Biden never even really supported any kind of healthcare reform in the first place and just "went along with it".
I honestly don't even remember him fighting for it at all.

Nothing says "stalking horse" quite like the so called Dem party "front runner" announcing he's considering a Republican running mate.
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#319489 - 12/31/19 05:43 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Not a very good idea, considering what a shite-show the Republican Party has become. But what if it was Mitt Romney, who is a dedicated never-Trumper now. If the two mainstream Parties are almost identical (as Chunky claims), then this would be the mainstream Parties versus Trump. Would you vote against Trump in such a case?

What Biden needs to do is to have a VP from the Left, like Warren, to bring the Party together. If he can get the Left and the Center together, he can probably get enough Independent votes to win. Fail to attract either Left or Center and he loses.

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#319525 - 01/01/20 12:55 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: pondering_it_all]
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If Clinton had chosen Bernie they'd have won too. But that aint how things ever work out.
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#319538 - 01/01/20 05:40 AM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
If Clinton had chosen Bernie they'd have won too. But that aint how things ever work out.


Yeah, I never could figure that out. It would have been a lock.

Instead Kaine was brought in, which added precisely nothing to the ticket.
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#319540 - 01/01/20 04:41 PM Re: And we're off and running! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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An interesting Marxist analysis of the upcoming election:

‘Assuming that much of the Trump base fits the description of Lumpenproletariat, what are the implications? For one, it is not clear over the last 50 years if now going into the 2020 US presidential elections that significant appeals to class and economics could have moved these voters back to the Democrats. Perhaps had the Democratic Party continued to talk class many of these workers would have stayed with them, but it is not clear that faced with the threat of extinction they could have be moved toward more progressive politics. Two, even if the Democrats had continued to talk class, appeals today to them on the basis of class and economics may not be powerful enough to move them electorally; they may be lost politically and if demographics are correct, they are facing significant distinction over time. Three, while progressive candidates such as Bernie Sanders may be able to shift some of these voters to them, betting on wholesale shifting of the Lumpenproletariat to the Democrats is unlikely.’

Trump, Democrats and the Lumpenproletariat

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