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#319656 - 01/04/20 07:49 PM Insulin
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I do not need/take Insulin. However, at least once a week I am treated to yet another pricing outrage by the greedy drug industry. The simple fact is that the man who invented insulin gave away his patent so anybody could make it which is the point of this topic.

If I did need Insulin I would have gone out to all other insulin users as I assume that not all insulin users are broke. I would ask them to join an organization formed to create a company to make and distribute Insulin for the right price (cost of production and distribution plus a profit to save for problems). If this effort succeeded I would then, with the same user's group, plus those being overcharged for generics, and the rising prices with generic drugs by also producing those to be sold at rock bottom prices. If done right such an organization would not be a for profit operation and could go far as at least a start to actually deal with drugs and prices.

If this could be pulled off I suspect that, at least, drugs that are no longer protected by copyright or patent can be distributed to those that need them for the right price.

What is going on, right now, is just crazy. This is particularly true of insulin users who, apparently, can't find a way to buy mail order from Canada or Mexico although such is readily available.

I think my plan would probably work. Those who are actually dying because they can't afford the drugs have, as far as I can tell however, done absolutely nothing but whine when they should be organizing! Its almost as if they are determined to die to make a point of their apparent inability to act in their own best interest. There are, apparently, MILLIONS that need this stuff yet nobody has even, as far as I know, even considered something like this. One can only wonder.

Just something else I simply do not understand. Makes no sense to me. I seem to be spending my entire life just not understanding stuff.

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#319660 - 01/04/20 09:13 PM Re: Insulin [Re: jgw]
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In a weirdly arrogant way JGW, you seem to have finally begun to grasp some concepts of socialism.

Your contempt of the poor and sick aside, you gunna help with that or victim shame.


Edited by chunkstyle (01/04/20 09:13 PM)

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#319662 - 01/04/20 09:41 PM Re: Insulin [Re: jgw]
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What socialism are you talking about? The one in the dictionary that says that state gets to own EVERYTHING? Or, maybe, a group of people getting screwed actually taking some responsibility to put a stop to their getting screwed?

You mean the poor and sick that DO NOT VOTE! I have very little sympathy to members of groups that are too busy to actually vote.

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#319663 - 01/04/20 10:28 PM Re: Insulin [Re: jgw]
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The drug companies offer free insulin to anyone in need of help.

There are tons of patient assistance programs to get insulin into the hands of those who need it. Doctors will load you up with samples.

Coupons are available. Every state probably has some form of Medicaid.

It seems it's really the people in the middle who are screwed on this one. The ones with pretty good jobs but no insurance.
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#319666 - 01/04/20 11:18 PM Re: Insulin [Re: jgw]
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I would ask them to join an organization formed to create a company to make and distribute Insulin for the right price (cost of production and distribution plus a profit to save for problems).

Call that organization the US Government and you have arrived at socialism.

Call it much of anything else and you sudddenly need a CEO making $2.4Mil and an advertising budget to bring in more insulin addicts, and then the organization goes public and investors get a cut...and you've just created another pharmaceutical company.
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#319667 - 01/04/20 11:54 PM Re: Insulin [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
The drug companies offer free insulin to anyone in need of help.

There are tons of patient assistance programs to get insulin into the hands of those who need it. Doctors will load you up with samples.

Coupons are available. Every state probably has some form of Medicaid.

It seems it's really the people in the middle who are screwed on this one. The ones with pretty good jobs but no insurance.


Insulin is not one-size-fits-all.
The old style form of insulin does not work very well for certain persons, and in the past many of those persons died even while using insulin.

It's the advanced forms of the drug which are priced like Lamborghini engines.
The trouble is, we're now reaching numbers where some forms of diabetes would correctly be referred to as a national health emergency, almost an epidemic.


New CDC report: More than 100 million Americans have diabetes or pre-diabetes

That's almost a third of the country and out of that third, about forty million HAVE full blown Type 1 or Type 2 diabetes, which is costing us a half trillion dollars annually.
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#319677 - 01/05/20 02:28 PM Re: Insulin [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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Originally Posted By: jgw
What socialism are you talking about? The one in the dictionary that says that state gets to own EVERYTHING? Or, maybe, a group of people getting screwed actually taking some responsibility to put a stop to their getting screwed?

You mean the poor and sick that DO NOT VOTE! I have very little sympathy to members of groups that are too busy to actually vote.


The latter actually. Workers owning the means of production.

The first definition is what cranks and hacks go to for to describe something so broad, deep and evolving as a political economic theory like socialism. A friggin dictionary definition!

So are you, JGW, advocating for a national holiday or something like it for makin6jg it easier for the working poor to go vote..

I wonder why that hasn't been done already....


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#319700 - 01/06/20 05:06 AM Re: Insulin [Re: chunkstyle]
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Workers owning the means of production.


You mean like WinCo? A corporation with an extensive ESOP plan.

There does not seem to be a legal way to force that happen, but several companies do that on their own. Especially lots of legal firms and limited partnerships.

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#319705 - 01/06/20 03:02 PM Re: Insulin [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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Workers owning the means of production.


You mean like WinCo? A corporation with an extensive ESOP plan.


No, somehow I don’t think Marx’s prescription for inhumane and destructive capitalism was an employee stock option plan. I could be wrong though.


Edited by chunkstyle (01/06/20 03:10 PM)

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#319717 - 01/06/20 07:05 PM Re: Insulin [Re: chunkstyle]
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Ahhhhhhhhh! I think you mean the classic socialism. The workers own everything and they have a committee to decide things. The committee is normally run by one man usually referred to as 'leader'.

Yah, that's a really good idea!

I betcha if you sat down with your pal Trump you would find that he already occupies that position and he is doing his very best for the workers who own everything.

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