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#319797 - 01/08/20 07:54 PM iranian general qassem soleimani
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This one is a puzzle. I have been watching TV and BOTH sides are saying that Soleimani is a terrorist and a monster responsible for killing thousands of Americans.

As far as I can tell he is an Iranian General who supports Iran and Shias everywhere. The Shias are massively outnumbered by their enemies the Sunni. When Shia enclaves/groups come under fire the Iranians support them against the Sunni trying to kill them. This has been going on for over 1000 years!

Apparently Soleimani also is supposed to have invented the IED. As far as I can tell he has also created groups to try and deal with American presence. Given our history, in that part of the world I wouldn't want us there either. We slaughtered, for instance, OVER 2 hundred thousand in Iraq whilst saving them from the Saddam monster. I have no idea of our toll in Afghanistan but I have full faith we have slaughtered thousands more. In other words, if you are in another country, and the Americans come to save you RUN LIKE HELL!
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/file...-2014%20FIN.pdf

Someplace else I inferred that we have not exactly experienced any Iranian Terrorism - yet. As far as I can tell that's a fact (not really sure). I do know that we have experience a LOT of Sunni terrorism and still do. They just killed some of ours in Africa just the other day! (its a regular occurrence)

Anyway, all that being said. Can anybody tell me why this guy is a terrorist, a monster, and has killed thousands of Americans? OR is his reputation all about his support of his own because he is fighting against an American that invades and slaughters, literally, thousands upon thousands?

Basically, was he any different than the United States which seems to have a real penchant for slaughter.

I also did a google search on him. Can't find anything that would make him anymore than somebody who opposes us with, I think, some justification.

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#319802 - 01/08/20 09:48 PM Re: iranian general qassem soleimani [Re: jgw]
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My understanding is when ISIS expanded into Iraq the Iraqi military was in no shape to resist them (see 'Gulf War'). We only helped in the way of air strikes and it wasn't proving to be effective in turning ISIS back.
Iraq turned to it's neighbor and asked for help. Iran sent Soleimani to see what could be done about it. Soleimani recommended they raise a civil defense force of organized militia volunteers and helped with the implementation of his plan.
That turned out to be successful and resulted in helping push back ISIS, which was a good thing as people were sick of getting their heads sawn off for littering by them.

Soleimani is revered like Ike over there.

The defense militia's are what's being referred to as 'Iranian backed militias' in some of the news stories.


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#319803 - 01/08/20 10:34 PM Re: iranian general qassem soleimani [Re: jgw]
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Iran backs Shias everywhere and especially if they are oppressed by their Sunni masters.

It is all a matter of perspective for some folks. I can compartmentalize and see from both perspectives. Thus if you are a conservative you are all in for Sunni's against Shias everywhere. And if you are an end of the world Christian, Iran's official position is Israel should hold a referendum on self determination is a non starter and therefore Iran should be destroyed for even suggesting the idea.

So ask any conservative what the definition is of state sponsor of terrorism and check to see if the US does not qualify.
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#319804 - 01/08/20 10:52 PM Re: iranian general qassem soleimani [Re: jgw]
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So who's interests are getting served here?

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#319805 - 01/08/20 11:30 PM Re: iranian general qassem soleimani [Re: chunkstyle]
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#319807 - 01/09/20 12:35 AM Re: iranian general qassem soleimani [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
So who's interests are getting served here?


You'd want to look into the economics of the situation to figure that out. But since Donald Trump is a part of the equation then it is only Trump's interests being served.

Another recent assassination was that Khashogi guy. They could have taken him out quietly. But they wanted to send a message. A message that included bone saws to people like Kashogi. The way I see it, 13 men martyred themselves for their King. They don't think like we do.

Trump needed a distraction from the impeachment. An Osama Bin Laden moment would be just the thing. Soleimani drew the short straw.

Iran recognized his political need for the slaying and answered with only a ceremonial counter attack. They lost a General but they gained the high ground and the right to build nuclear weapons. It was a huge win for Iran on the world stage as they heroically declined to respond and give Trump the fireworks he needed to completely change the news cycle and usher in the devastating war that the USA has been trying to start for decades.

It seems the only way to keep American hands off your personal sh*t is to build a nuclear weapon and aim it at the White House.
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#319809 - 01/09/20 02:42 AM Re: iranian general qassem soleimani [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
So who's interests are getting served here?


You'd want to look into the economics of the situation to figure that out. But since Donald Trump is a part of the equation then it is only Trump's interests being served.

Another recent assassination was that Khashogi guy. They could have taken him out quietly. But they wanted to send a message. A message that included bone saws to people like Kashogi. The way I see it, 13 men martyred themselves for their King. They don't think like we do.

Trump needed a distraction from the impeachment. An Osama Bin Laden moment would be just the thing. Soleimani drew the short straw.

Iran recognized his political need for the slaying and answered with only a ceremonial counter attack. They lost a General but they gained the high ground and the right to build nuclear weapons. It was a huge win for Iran on the world stage as they heroically declined to respond and give Trump the fireworks he needed to completely change the news cycle and usher in the devastating war that the USA has been trying to start for decades.

It seems the only way to keep American hands off your personal sh*t is to build a nuclear weapon and aim it at the White House.



In reference to the RED part of the quote in BOLD, all I can say is:

Have you been out and about lately? LOL ROTFMOL LOL


Not only would he not need a bone saw, he doesn't even need a knife and fork sometimes.



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#319810 - 01/09/20 03:07 AM Re: iranian general qassem soleimani [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
My understanding is when ISIS...

Let everyone be clear on ISIS: There was no ISIS until W Bush invaded Iraq on a false premise AND L Paul Bremmer fired the Iraqi military and police force three months (!) after the going into Iraq.

(Iraq invasion March 2003. Coaition Provisional Authority Order 2 May 23, 2003 firing military and police force.)

Those tactically trained men didn't go open falafel carts. Hmm

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#319812 - 01/09/20 11:37 AM Re: iranian general qassem soleimani [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
...Trump needed a distraction from the impeachment. An Osama Bin Laden moment would be just the thing. Soleimani drew the short straw.

...but as usual, Trump is the one who drew the short straw because he's incompetent.

No American knew who Soleimani was until he died. Bin Ladin was HUGELY famous in the United States. As just like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi before Soleimani, nobody in the U.S. knew who he was.

Therein lies Trump's "problem." He's trying to score Obama-like victories, but keeps falling short of the apex Obama established because Trump keeps picking guys who nobody has heard of.

I love when I see Trump seethe in jealous anger of America's first black president being WAY, WAY better at the job than he is. smile
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#319820 - 01/09/20 06:34 PM Re: iranian general qassem soleimani [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


I love when I see Trump seethe in jealous anger of America's first black president being WAY, WAY better at the job than he is. smile


I "want to love" seeing that happen but I've learned that when Donald Trump is seething with anger over being bested by a tall willowy BLACK PRESIDENT with a name like Barack HUSSEIN Obama, he tends to break important stuff willy nilly, and have tantrums that wind up costing us a lot. Occasionally he even has tantrums that cost lives.

One former member of the "Apprentice" production staff by name of Noel Casler (@CaslerNoel on Twitter) says that he has personally witnessed Donald Trump snorting ground up Adderall. Casler insists he's a seventy-three year old speed freak and that his decades of Michael Jackson-like "sedation-stimulation" has pushed both his body and his brain to nearly the breaking point.

What happens if Trump, in a fit of pique, decides that the world doesn't deserve to survive if he doesn't stay in power?
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