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#319776 - 01/08/20 01:31 AM Re: Insulin [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Humalog is $96 a vial. Granted it was $14 the first time I ever bought it and maybe $65 the last time I bought it. But it isn't crazy expensive. The drug maker will also work with you if you have problems paying for it. Coupons are available online. Doctors will give you samples.
Medicaid will pay for it. Although this lad was making $700 a week or so and wouldn't qualify for some programs. Without insulin you die, so it's the first thing you buy. If you run out you call mom or your doctor or somebody. My ex used to have to buy me a vial now and then.
Trust me...I know about rationing insulin. But if you're going to play that close to the edge you've gotta keep a close watch on the numbers.

This kid didn't and it killed him.

But these are the kinds of memes and stories that started this thread and I just wanted to let it be known there are plenty of safety nets and plenty of places to go for help as far as insulin goes.
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#319782 - 01/08/20 04:11 AM Re: Insulin [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Humalog is $96 a vial. Granted it was $14 the first time I ever bought it and maybe $65 the last time I bought it. But it isn't crazy expensive. The drug maker will also work with you if you have problems paying for it. Coupons are available online. Doctors will give you samples.
Medicaid will pay for it. Although this lad was making $700 a week or so and wouldn't qualify for some programs. Without insulin you die, so it's the first thing you buy. If you run out you call mom or your doctor or somebody. My ex used to have to buy me a vial now and then.
Trust me...I know about rationing insulin. But if you're going to play that close to the edge you've gotta keep a close watch on the numbers.

This kid didn't and it killed him.

But these are the kinds of memes and stories that started this thread and I just wanted to let it be known there are plenty of safety nets and plenty of places to go for help as far as insulin goes.



Oh I agree that there are SOME safety nets but it appears this kid, like most young people, fell through the cracks AND did not want to be dependent on others anymore.

But again, with almost a third of the country being affected, this really IS a lot like the polio scares at this point.
A third of the population is a lot of people, and it just doesn't make sense because insulin is not an iPhone and while it's okay for Apple to pull top dollar for the new iPhone because a third of the country wants one, I can't wrap my brain around a third of the country having to worry about running out of something they can't live without.

PS: I am not sure this young guy was on Medicaid.
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#319783 - 01/08/20 04:43 AM Re: Insulin [Re: jgw]
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Oh yeah, PS: I know I am not the only one that notices that broadcast TV today consists of a nonstop onslaught of pharmaceutical commercials.
And I mean one after another after another ad nauseum.

Big pharma has to be paying out multi-billions for all that airtime.
Thing is, it's reached such a saturation level that, at least for folks like me, it's beginning to have the opposite of the intended effect.
It feels like we're in one of those Chinese reeducation camps, one that you don't get to leave until you can recite the doctor disclaimers at the end by rote.

Has everyone else noticed that every single pharmaceutical gives everyone (A) headache and (B) nausea, and for some....(C) DEATH. ??

Quote:
"Do not use this product if you are in or have been to an area with certain fungal infections."


Which fungal infections?

Quote:
"Do not use this product if you are allergic to it or any of its ingredients."


How the @#^!)$% do I know if I am allergic to it and how do I know what the ingredients are?
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#319786 - 01/08/20 02:07 PM Re: Insulin [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
... and Trump REALLY IS fixing things.


"Fix" as in "fix a car" or as in "fix a cat"? wink

As for insulin: there has been a development up here which might limit the supply of the cheap Canadian stuff available for "export".


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#319791 - 01/08/20 05:45 PM Re: Insulin [Re: SimonSC]
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Originally Posted By: SimonSC
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
... and Trump REALLY IS fixing things.


"Fix" as in "fix a car" or as in "fix a cat"? wink

As for insulin: there has been a development up here which might limit the supply of the cheap Canadian stuff available for "export".


I've often said that America's street dope dealers could transform themselves into modern day folk heroes if they switched product lines.
Instead of slinging crack, coke, heroin, meth and all the other terrible street drugs, they should consider becoming mobile black market pharmacies, slinging insulin, ED pills, cancer drugs, AIDS drugs and the like...any pharmaceutical which costs so damn much that people are forced to choose between medicating and keeping the lights on or feeding themselves or otherwise getting by.

We already saw it begin to happen back in the early 90's with "the Dallas Buyer's Club" when they tried supplying AIDS drugs in Texas.

Those guys actually saved lives.
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#319793 - 01/08/20 05:56 PM Re: Insulin [Re: SimonSC]
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Originally Posted By: SimonSC
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
... and Trump REALLY IS fixing things.


"Fix" as in "fix a car" or as in "fix a cat"? wink

As for insulin: there has been a development up here which might limit the supply of the cheap Canadian stuff available for "export".


Oh wow, holy mackerel, sounds like diabetic coma in a bowl! ROTFMOL
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#319794 - 01/08/20 07:14 PM Re: Insulin [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I have been pounding that drum for years - to no avail. I think the only real answer is the one some countries have done. Drug companies get regulated and there is a cap put on profit. In addition to that expenses must be real expenses, etc. Drugs are part of the healthcare system. The healthcare system, including device manufacturers, drug companies, hospitals, etc. are All part of the healthcare system and should be dealt with as such. This also goes for all the rest of it. We need, basically, a socially supported healthcare system with all that infers.

I know, the current crop of Democratic candidates all have some kind of plan to do the job. The unfortunate part is that none of them, as far as I can tell, has examined what other countries have done, and how they did it, and how well it works. Canada's, for instance, is pretty straight forward. If you are a Canadian you have healthcare and you pay for it with your taxes. Taxes pay for the healthcare and also regulate healthcare, ALL healthcare (including drugs which explains why theirs is so much cheaper than ours). The thing is that all healthcare systems are note identical. Take a look at the healthcare system in Switzerland, for instance - waaay different from the Canadian plan.

The Democratic candidates seem to like medicare for all. There is one little difference, it will pay for EVERYTHING, has little to do with medicare, and is going to be incredibly expensive because it doesn't cover the regulations on such things as drugs at all! If we are going to have a socially paid for healthcare system then the whole works needs regulation! That's part of the social thing. Its just like other social services paid for by taxes like police, firemen, public education, etc. It may also be of interest that Obamacare was actually causing a downward trend in our own healthcare - right up until Trump went to work on it.

All that being said I should also mention lazy Americans. In my state there is a school district where even the parents of children don't vote. Their schools are, literally, sinking into the earth, teachers are underpaid, there are no supplies, etc. The school board has been entrenched for years because the voters, apparently, just are not interested in either their children or their schools. The school board itself keeps on asking for the public to step up but gets noplace. This is not the fault of the school board this is the fault of the voting public! This is also not an isolated instance. Please consider, if a little school district is in trouble because of lazy voters just think about statewide problems that get the same treatment. Then consider national service problems that get the same treatment. Our national infrastructure is a good example of that. Its failing because the voters failed to elect somebody who actually gives a damn. The same holds true right down the line to small school districts. We REALLY need a system that defines places that have problems because of lazy voters. When that happens there should probably be some way to, at the very least, shame them through the media to do their damned jobs. Voting may be a right but its also a responsibility. I support mandatory voting! Its worked for Australia (last to install mandatory voting, I think).

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#319801 - 01/08/20 09:31 PM Re: Insulin [Re: jgw]
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The unfortunate part is that none of them, as far as I can tell, has examined what other countries have done, and how they did it, and how well it works.

What makes you think this? I personally imagine that proponents of socialized medicine here have studied in detail what's been done in other countries. Probably both Warren and Sanders could tell you far more than you ever wanted to know about how the UK, Canada, and most of Europe achieved socialized medicine.

First you need a progressive government which places the needs of people above the needs of capital. A government that answers to its people, not its corporations.

We call it social democracy, you call it SOCIALISM.
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#319813 - 01/09/20 02:59 PM Re: Insulin [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw

If I did need Insulin I would have gone out to all other insulin users as I assume that not all insulin users are broke. I would ask them to join an organization formed to create a company to make and distribute Insulin for the right price (cost of production and distribution plus a profit to save for problems).


Thing is, your life would immediately become a serious of unfortunate misunderstandings with the FDA.
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#319815 - 01/09/20 03:20 PM Re: Insulin [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: jgw

If I did need Insulin I would have gone out to all other insulin users as I assume that not all insulin users are broke. I would ask them to join an organization formed to create a company to make and distribute Insulin for the right price (cost of production and distribution plus a profit to save for problems).


Thing is, your life would immediately become a serious of unfortunate misunderstandings with the FDA.


True, but when it comes to black market distribution, the FDA has nowhere near the experience, resources, manpower or budget to deal with the level of underground distro that the DEA has had with street drugs, dealers, cartels, etc.

And the DEA itself is not equipped to handle the optics of busting underground distro of lifesaving medication, so while they certainly would get involved and try to help the FDA, again...optics.
What does the public think of FDA and DEA "cracking down" on seniors and disabled people who are resorting to any means necessary to get the lifesaving medications that they cannot afford in the retail pharma sector.

I do not think news coverage of drug agents and the FDA hauling away people in wheelchairs and the folks who supplied them with their meds will play well in Peoria.
Peoria loves it when the po-po busts crack dealers, but Great Aunt Effie and her supplier going to the pokey because Effie couldn't afford her cancer drugs (or insulin) would cause Peoria to get out the pitchforks and torches.

In fact, it would play about as well as watching police arrest church people for feeding poor people..."without the necessary permits".



In fact, it might even meet with an even chillier reception, because disabled and seniors who need lifesaving meds are viewed even more sympathetically than the homeless.



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