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#319800 - 01/08/20 09:21 PM Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
You neglected to mention that, before we invaded we dropped flyers telling the police and army to stay out of it and they would be just fine and still have jobs. THEN we fired them all!


Paul Bremer, acting on orders from BushCo.
Yeah, maybe the absolute dumbest move imaginable.
It helped create the very enemy we wound up fighting, much to the sheer joy and cheer of all the defense contractors, of course.

Winning an actual bonafide congressionally declared war is unprofitable, and it comes with rules and standards.
It's much more profitable to just not declare it as a real war and just use continuing AUF's and leave it open-ended.
No need for real objectives, and the money train never stops no matter how badly we conduct ourselves.

We have managed to make endless war a consumer product and it's a truly monstrous vocation.
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#319938 - 01/12/20 11:25 AM Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria [Re: pdx rick]
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The Trump Administration insists Soleimani was an “imminent” threat. Just don’t ask for details or proof. coffee
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#319939 - 01/12/20 11:28 AM Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria [Re: pdx rick]
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“Erik Prince, the Blackwater-founder-turned-unofficial-2016-Trump-campaign-adviser, advocated to the campaign years ago for the killing of Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani, according to a recently disclosed memo that reveals some of the earliest thinking circulated within Donald Trump’s team regarding his approach to Iran..."

- CNN.com
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#319940 - 01/12/20 11:32 AM Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria [Re: pdx rick]
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Trump was given a 'menu' of options for the Iran strike that included ships, missile facilities, and militia groups - of course Fatass Trump choose the extreme option. coffee
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#319942 - 01/12/20 12:51 PM Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria [Re: pdx rick]
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Why, of course. He wanted to show that he is tough, that he, President Donald (Coward**, ...) Trump*, is a war-time president.


*Impeached.
**He does have Yellow skin.


Edited by Ujest Shurly (01/12/20 12:53 PM)
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#319945 - 01/12/20 03:58 PM Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Quote:
“Erik Prince, the Blackwater-founder-turned-unofficial-2016-Trump-campaign-adviser, advocated to the campaign years ago for the killing of Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani, according to a recently disclosed memo that reveals some of the earliest thinking circulated within Donald Trump’s team regarding his approach to Iran..."

- CNN.com


(shrug) Erik Prince isn't much of an advisor, since no one seems willing to give him what he keeps asking for (management of a war somewhere).


That being said, the person I'm aware of who was a senior advisor who probably had A) the most credibility here and B) was one of the hardest voices in the room for pushing back against Iran in a manner like this was Secretary of Defense Mattis, back before he resigned.
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#319946 - 01/12/20 04:01 PM Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick



Trump was given a 'menu' of options for the Iran strike that included ships, missile facilities, and militia groups - of course Fatass Trump choose the extreme option. coffee



smile Actually Trump has pulled back several times - a consistent problem with him when dealing with Iran is that he has been, if anything, timid, and they perceived that this administration - like the previous one - no longer had red lines it is willing to enforce.

If we had reacted to the downing of the U.S. Drone and attacks against shipping back in the summer more strongly, we probably wouldn't be in this position now. But, we pulled back at the last second and, so, here we are.
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#319959 - 01/12/20 09:35 PM Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Actually Trump has pulled back several times - a consistent problem with him when dealing with Iran...

...until faced with impeachment and now removal in the Senate. smile

Now, it's a completely different story. Conservatives wanted a strike on an Iranian asset in order to secure a non-removal in the Senate. Just more Republican quid pro quo for you. Hmm
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#320268 - 01/21/20 03:32 AM Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Actually Trump has pulled back several times - a consistent problem with him when dealing with Iran...

...until faced with impeachment and now removal in the Senate. smile

Now, it's a completely different story. Conservatives wanted a strike on an Iranian asset in order to secure a non-removal in the Senate. Just more Republican quid pro quo for you. Hmm


Like the vast majority of the country, "Conservatives" had no idea we were about to strike Soleimani until we did it. Those who were part of the strike may tend to lean conservative, but include representatives from both major political leans.

As for the idea that Trump would have otherwise been removed by the Republican-dominated Senate.... that a supermajority of that body was ready to vote for removal and simply failed to mention this... only changing their minds Because Soleimani.... I find that... shall we say, exceedingly unlikely, though I would love to see any citation you can provide that a majority of Republican Senators were ready to remove the President prior to the strike.

The strike on Solemani has had no appreciable effect on impeachment proceedings, which were previously not going to result in removal, and which are still not going to result in removal.


Edited by CPWILL (01/21/20 03:33 AM)
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#320270 - 01/21/20 04:48 AM Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria [Re: CPWILL]
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The distraction fizzled when Iran didn't take the bait.

He'da been a wartime president, a hero, you can't impeach a hero!

A shoo in for re-election...*sighs* It's a friggin reality show is all it is. Hannity feeds him his lines.
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