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#320404 - 01/22/20 09:41 PM Re: Return to Monarchy [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Hamish Howl Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
"... and Martha McSally is more or less in for life."


Not so sure about that, mate...

Arizona poll shows Kelly overtaking McSally

Poll: Democrat Mark Kelly leads incumbent McSally in Arizona Senate race

Tuscon Weekly

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"The announcement came a week after a new poll from Public Policy Polling showed Kelly leading McSally by 4 percentage points, with 46 percent of voters supporting Kelly and 42 percent supporting McSally."



Yeah, I guess. Nobody dislikes Kelly, but the only way to get the Phoenix crowd to vote dem is to have the incumbent threaten medicare and social security.
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#320405 - 01/22/20 10:26 PM Re: Return to Monarchy [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: perotista
Senate seats I would say would flip as of today, Arizona, Colorado, North Carolina to the Democrats, Alabama to the Republicans. Iffy, Maine. I don't know how the ranked voting Maine is going to will effect the race.


Senate-wise, Arizona is as blue as it's going to get.

Sinema will be lucky to hold her seat (she's effectively a non-entity), and Martha McSally is more or less in for life.


As of today, I'd have to disagree. I go by numbers, not the mind, heart or my wish list. Now there's nothing saying that tomorrow the numbers will or won't change.
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#320418 - 01/22/20 11:50 PM Re: Return to Monarchy [Re: perotista]
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Arizona is as blue as it's going to get

I feel your pain, Ham. Remember 2018? The Blue Wave?
Florida replaced it's long time Democratic senator with our term limited corrupt tea party governor and replaced our governor with a Trump supporting Republican.
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#320423 - 01/23/20 03:17 AM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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It appears Vladimir Putin is now resorting to distributing Trump's talking points via public media.

Vladimir Putin Attacks Democrats For Impeaching Donald Trump


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Speaking at a wide-ranging end-of-the-year news conference, Putin described the events in Congress last week as “the continuation of political infighting” between Democrats and Republicans. “I don’t think Trump will be voted out of power on made up charges,” Putin said. “Democrats lost the last election, and now they want to win by other means.”


Sounds vaguely familiar...
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#320431 - 01/23/20 02:35 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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I think I might be coming around to the notion that the impeachment trial is partisan.

I was just listening to a Republican Senator who was saying that he is so open minded that he would like to hear from some key witnesses, but.... he also said that he is sick and tired of hearing the facts repeated ad naseum by the prosecution at the trial, that he has heard it all too many times and he knows that nothing new will be presented. He said the Dems are actually hurting their case by presenting it, a brilliant observation, I admit. In fact, he knows that the case is so weak that there would be no purpose to adding to the length of the trial by hearing witnesses, a thing that could go on for an unbefukkinglievable amount of time and not change anything. Same with any new evidence that has appeared since the House voted on the Articles. If it wasn't for that, he would be first in line for witnesses, especially Hunter Biden.

The Democrats, on the other hand, know that they have a very strong case, which probably couldn't be denied even by the wackiest of the right-wingers without permanently staining their already blotched reputations with the armband of complete dishonesty, with the cherry on top of testimony from a few of the participants in the crimes.

It's clearly a matter of partisanship that the Republicans are in favor of trading in our Constitutional government for an authoritarian dictatorship led by a corrupt buffoon, while the Democrats are mindlessly trying to overturn a semi-legitimate election of the finest President this nation has ever suffered.

I sincerely apologize for previously having been resistant to the notion that it's nothing more than partisan bickering. rolleyes
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#320432 - 01/23/20 04:06 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
I think I might be coming around to the notion that the impeachment trial is partisan.

I was just listening to a Republican Senator who was saying that he is so open minded that he would like to hear from some key witnesses, but.... he also said that he is sick and tired of hearing the facts repeated ad naseum by the prosecution at the trial, that he has heard it all too many times and he knows that nothing new will be presented. He said the Dems are actually hurting their case by presenting it, a brilliant observation, I admit. In fact, he knows that the case is so weak that there would be no purpose to adding to the length of the trial by hearing witnesses, a thing that could go on for an unbefukkinglievable amount of time and not change anything. Same with any new evidence that has appeared since the House voted on the Articles. If it wasn't for that, he would be first in line for witnesses, especially Hunter Biden.

The Democrats, on the other hand, know that they have a very strong case, which probably couldn't be denied even by the wackiest of the right-wingers without permanently staining their already blotched reputations with the armband of complete dishonesty, with the cherry on top of testimony from a few of the participants in the crimes.

It's clearly a matter of partisanship that the Republicans are in favor of trading in our Constitutional government for an authoritarian dictatorship led by a corrupt buffoon, while the Democrats are mindlessly trying to overturn a semi-legitimate election of the finest President this nation has ever suffered.

I sincerely apologize for previously having been resistant to the notion that it's nothing more than partisan bickering. rolleyes


THIS MUST BE THAT "SARCASM" THING I'VE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT!
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#320433 - 01/23/20 04:16 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Will John Bolton be remembered as the man who sold democracy for a book deal????
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#320434 - 01/23/20 04:19 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Here is the flaw in Republican rebuttals regarding the Democrat failure to seek remedy in the courts for witnesses. Even if the courts say the witnesses should testify, there is no guarantee any would actually testify. This is a different ball game. A game in which Mr Trump does not play with the same rules as previous elected officials.

Think about it ... and what would the Senate do? Fumble around to defend Mr Trump.
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#320435 - 01/23/20 04:34 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: logtroll]
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Suppose for a second Hunter Biden was indeed involved in corrupt schemes with Barisma. Does that justify solicitation of foreign assistance in 2020 election campaign? And why just Hunter Biden? Why not Devon Archer? He is an American who served on the board of Burisma.

I think it is clear Mr Trump was only after the Biden's and not Ukrainian corruption.
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#320436 - 01/23/20 04:37 PM Re: The Impeachment of Donald trump [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl

THIS MUST BE THAT "SARCASM" THING I'VE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT!

:doh:
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