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#320489 - 01/24/20 02:21 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: CPWILL]
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Oh, that's adorable. You think anti-semitism is unique to the Right at all? smile


CP is right about this. The left isn't immune.
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#320511 - 01/24/20 07:03 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: pdx rick]
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Its kinda interesting. Seems that politics MUST be bi-polar - you gotta be left/liberal or right/conservative and there is absolutely no in between. Not only that but one side must NEVER even talk to the other side because its just, I guess, too dangerous.

Sorry about that. Its just that is NOT the way this nation was founded or meant to be. Anybody who thinks that way should lighten up. I know people that Vote Trump and I don't even want to kill them or anything! I think they are probably wrong and it makes no sense but that's just they way they are politically, don' mean that's all they got. Don't know many, but some. One was my son who has, now, changed his mind. Even then I just don't talk politics with him and everything is dandy. All 'conservatives' are not racist, or wife beaters, or all the rest. All Liberals don't want to bankrupt the nation to give said nation away or bankrupt it. These are, I think, simple facts.

All these left/right arguments are kinda silly unless somebody is changing a mind due to them. After a while it must be exhausting. I have a wife in that state right now and its sad (she is a serious lefty, used to work for the Dems, thinks Trump is a monster (close), and majored in political science (that title has always bothered me)

Just saying............

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#320519 - 01/24/20 11:22 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Its kinda interesting. Seems that politics MUST be bi-polar - you gotta be left/liberal or right/conservative and there is absolutely no in between.


Nope, that's what all those think tank billions paid for, the well heeled and well financed and penetrating narrative that insists that everything is binary.
We are CONDITIONED to think that way because a handful of very powerful people WANT US to think that way, or else.
When they plunk down their billions they expect to get results and if they don't, they start breaking sh!t until they do get them.

Originally Posted By: jgw

Not only that but one side must NEVER even talk to the other side because its just, I guess, too dangerous.


Again, certain people spent BILLIONS of dollars to ensure that people would think that way now. It took a while, but it's hard-baked into the national consciousness now.

Originally Posted By: jgw

Sorry about that. Its just that is NOT the way this nation was founded or meant to be. Anybody who thinks that way should lighten up. I know people that Vote Trump and I don't even want to kill them or anything! I think they are probably wrong and it makes no sense but that's just they way they are politically, don' mean that's all they got. Don't know many, but some. One was my son who has, now, changed his mind. Even then I just don't talk politics with him and everything is dandy. All 'conservatives' are not racist, or wife beaters, or all the rest. All Liberals don't want to bankrupt the nation to give said nation away or bankrupt it. These are, I think, simple facts.

All these left/right arguments are kinda silly unless somebody is changing a mind due to them. After a while it must be exhausting. I have a wife in that state right now and its sad (she is a serious lefty, used to work for the Dems, thinks Trump is a monster (close), and majored in political science (that title has always bothered me)

Just saying............


And when the civil war starts in earnest and the bullets are flying willy nilly, a lot of people will suddenly figure out exactly who it is that really has the "mental disorder".
Hint: (It's not the libs)
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#320520 - 01/24/20 11:26 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
:lol: reminds me of the old claims that opposition to socialism was a psychological malady, and the "authoritarian mindset" people. Or, for that matter, the Liberalism is a Mental Disorder people. :D)

At least my study was peer-reviewed by scientists. smile

Any idiot with a publisher can write a book. What's the matter, couldn't find a peer-reviewed scientific study to support your lie? Too bad, so sad. coffee

What else are you going to gaslight me with? Hmm Are you going to tell me that NAZIs were socialist as well? That's one of my favorite Conservative lies. laugh

Oh I know! You'll tell me that the Founder Fathers were Conservative. That's my favorite Conservative lie. ROTFMOL
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#320527 - 01/25/20 04:15 AM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: pdx rick]
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:lol: reminds me of the old claims that opposition to socialism was a psychological malady, and the "authoritarian mindset" people. Or, for that matter, the Liberalism is a Mental Disorder people. :D)

At least my study was peer-reviewed by scientists. smile

Any idiot with a publisher can write a book. What's the matter, couldn't find a peer-reviewed scientific study to support your lie? Too bad, so sad. coffee

What else are you going to gaslight me with? Hmm Are you going to tell me that NAZIs were socialist as well? That's one of my favorite Conservative lies. laugh


Actually I linked him to you, though you're welcome to look up Haidt elsewhere. He's even got a Ted Talk.;) I couldn't help but notice you carefully edited him out of the quote box when replying. Odd, that smile

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Oh I know! You'll tell me that the Founder Fathers were Conservative. That's my favorite Conservative lie. ROTFMOL


:shrug: Not sure why you want to try to pivot from your bigotry onto that topic in particular, but, ff you'd like to have a conversation on it, I can most certainly make the case for most of them (and generally for the movement they led), as did Edmund Burke. Or, if you like, we can discuss national socialism. But, if your behavior thus far is indicative of the intellectual honesty you intend to bring to bear to those discussions, then talking with you probably isn't worth it, as you are unlikely to be able to process information that challenges your preconceived notions.


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#320535 - 01/25/20 02:21 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Actually I linked him to you, though you're welcome to look up Haidt elsewhere. He's even got a Ted Talk.;) I couldn't help but notice you carefully edited him out of the quote box when replying. Odd, that smile.

Only a Conservative would accept opinion in lieu of a scienctic peer-reviewed article. coffee
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#320536 - 01/25/20 02:22 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
:shrug: Not sure why you want to try to pivot from your bigotry onto that topic in particular...

What does science have to say about your opinion above?

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
Hodson, G. & Busseri, M.A. (2012). Bright minds and dark attitudes: Lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice through right-wing ideology and low intergroup contact. Psychological Science, 23, 187-195.

You can read the layman's version here.

Science vs your opinion. coffee I'll go with science, thanks. smile


As far as your original question goes - I was simply giving you a list of known Conservative lying talking points that you might to want to bring out. Hmm
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#320537 - 01/25/20 02:31 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: CPWILL]
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...I can most certainly make the case for most of them (and generally for the movement they led)...

I'm not interested in your any of your opinions, just the facts, ma'am. smile I get that Conservatism is not a choice and that you're born that way, but do better and not be so smug. Try harder to overcome that which inflicts you. laugh
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#320540 - 01/25/20 04:20 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
...I can most certainly make the case for most of them (and generally for the movement they led)...

I'm not interested in your any of your opinions, just the facts, ma'am. smile I get that Conservatism is not a choice and that you're born that way, but do better and not be so smug. Try harder to overcome that which inflicts you. laugh


smile Between the two of us, I'm not worried about coming off as smug, or at having failed so badly in the ability to rationally assess the strengths and weaknesses of my own ideological side as well as that of others.

Though it only tangentially relates, I hope one day you are able to get over your anger at your parents. frown Learning to love broken people* is hard, but it can be a worthy thing to do.




*Synonym for "any people"
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#320541 - 01/25/20 04:22 PM Re: US budget deficit hits $984 billion, highest in 7 years [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Actually I linked him to you, though you're welcome to look up Haidt elsewhere. He's even got a Ted Talk.;) I couldn't help but notice you carefully edited him out of the quote box when replying. Odd, that smile.

Only a Conservative would accept opinion in lieu of a scienctic peer-reviewed article. coffee


So, you didn't bother to look it up (and, I'm betting, you also didn't read the supporting case study). Cool smile

You might find more interesting suggestions of overlap than you thought you would. But, then, you'd have to go back and research to find those, so...
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