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#320582 - 01/26/20 01:20 PM Growth, hunh, good god yaw, what is it good for?
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I have a very distinct memory of a grade school teacher (maybe 5th grade?) telling the class that growth is essential to a healthy economy. That confused me, it didn’t make sense, though I can’t imagine what intellectual basis I could possibly have had at that age. My normal state in school was as a sponge and information was water, critical thinking was many years away from being on my mental menu. Perhaps it was the idea that something could grow forever without limits. She also said that inflation was necessary for economic health.

These days I think that endless economic growth is a cancerous concept, a flawed theory that underpins our lemmings run to the destruction of not only human society, but the planet.

We probably can’t change it intentionally, given the widespread psychological disorders of humanity, but I like to think that some seeds of a better way can be planted before hitsfan .



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#320583 - 01/26/20 01:27 PM Re: Growth, hunh, good god yaw, what is it good for? [Re: logtroll]
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#320613 - 01/26/20 11:51 PM Re: Growth, hunh, good god yaw, what is it good for? [Re: logtroll]
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The lemming film was faked. Just like Epstein, they did not kill themselves.
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#320631 - 01/27/20 01:03 PM Re: Growth, hunh, good god yaw, what is it good for? [Re: Greger]
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The lemming film was faked. Just like Epstein, they did not kill themselves.

Well, since it was faked, it makes it a perfect metaphor for the Trump Administration! tonbricks
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#320635 - 01/27/20 02:56 PM Re: Growth, hunh, good god yaw, what is it good for? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
The lemming film was faked. Just like Epstein, they did not kill themselves.


Marlon Perkins stampeded them off a cliff with a bulldozer once, since they wouldn't oblige him by running off on their own when the cameras were rolling.
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#321479 - 02/13/20 07:19 PM Re: Growth, hunh, good god yaw, what is it good for? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
The lemming film was faked. Just like Epstein, they did not kill themselves.

Marlon Perkins stampeded them off a cliff with a bulldozer once, since they wouldn't oblige him by running off on their own when the cameras were rolling.

I had an epiphany, a lemmings epiphany.

We love to use the example of lemmings jumping off a cliff and killing themselves as a metaphor for a certain class of dumbshit human behaviors. But what if we are looking through the wrong end of the glass (another metaphor), and it was the inexplicable human behaviors that created a need for the lemmings metaphor, so it was made up to serve the purpose? As a metaphor, is it necessary for it to be true to serve its purpose?
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#321481 - 02/13/20 07:39 PM Re: Growth, hunh, good god yaw, what is it good for? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Greger
The lemming film was faked. Just like Epstein, they did not kill themselves.

Marlon Perkins stampeded them off a cliff with a bulldozer once, since they wouldn't oblige him by running off on their own when the cameras were rolling.

I had an epiphany, a lemmings epiphany.

We love to use the example of lemmings jumping off a cliff and killing themselves as a metaphor for a certain class of dumbshit human behaviors. But what if we are looking through the wrong end of the glass (another metaphor), and it was the inexplicable human behaviors that created a need for the lemmings metaphor, so it was made up to serve the purpose? As a metaphor, is it necessary for it to be true to serve its purpose?


I prefer the reality, in which lemmings charge off of the cliff in response to gargantuan and monstrous forces that they cannot understand or resist.

It's far more relevant in the current political climate.

Bearing in mind, of course, that just because they are hapless victims doesn't mean that they aren't small-minded vicious bastards themselves.

So while a metaphor does NOT have to be accurate to be useful, the accurate version is usually MORE useful.
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#321496 - 02/13/20 10:09 PM Re: Growth, hunh, good god yaw, what is it good for? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Dudes...that's some deep..uh..thinking.
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#321499 - 02/14/20 12:37 AM Re: Growth, hunh, good god yaw, what is it good for? [Re: Greger]
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Dudes...that's some deep..uh..thinking.

Yowzer!
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#321501 - 02/14/20 01:07 PM Re: Growth, hunh, good god yaw, what is it good for? [Re: logtroll]
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Hmm, coincidence or something other? Just yesterday, I used this singer and song in an email to both of my Senators about the Vote on President Donald (...) Trump's* War Powers.

*Impeached

eek2 :applaud:
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