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#320627 - 01/27/20 04:12 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Jeff,

Respectfully, I think you may be missing a few key drivers.



Respectfully, you misread my post.
Show me where I complained about the MW being too low.
Sorry CP, you skimmed.
I said I would much rather MW jobs return to the role they had when I was a youngster, jobs for kids, for seniors padding their retirement income and for the low skilled bunch.

You clearly thought I was saying we need to raise minimum wage.
Yeah only IF we're going to make most jobs MW..then sure but I said that is NOT the smart option.
But that IS what most of the new jobs are.

And if the middle class is shrinking because so many people are getting rich then we would be seeing millenials fighting each other to buy homes all over the country.
Sorry friend, but it's clear that most millenials will NEVER own a home.

AEI has been pitching that heavily massaged "THANK YOU FOR SMOKING"/"HIV DOESN'T CAUSE AIDS" style think tank conspiracy baloney since Obama took office.

If our economy was truly healthy, hardly anyone would care what the MW was, because 90% of the people holding those jobs would be using most of it as disposable income.

The most hilarious lie is the one about how most MW jobholders "don't want to work full time", and it's a lie because most MW jobs DO NOT ALLOW 40 hours because after hour 39 the employer is on the hook for benefits and a lot of other expenses, like overtime.
In most cases you are NOT ALLOWED to rack up more than 39 hours a week, so you're part time whether you like it or not.

Don't take my word for it, go ask Walmart.
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#320678 - 01/28/20 04:46 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
CPWILL Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Jeff,

Respectfully, I think you may be missing a few key drivers.



Respectfully, you misread my post.
Show me where I complained about the MW being too low.
Sorry CP, you skimmed.
I said I would much rather MW jobs return to the role they had when I was a youngster, jobs for kids, for seniors padding their retirement income and for the low skilled bunch.

You clearly thought I was saying we need to raise minimum wage.
Yeah only IF we're going to make most jobs MW..then sure but I said that is NOT the smart option.
But that IS what most of the new jobs are.


If I misread you, then apologies - you're right that I didn't break it out and reply thoroughly piece by piece, and I usually prefer to do, and that could have meant I missed a place where you countered this, but, respectfully, it did seem to be what you were implying. Perhaps I was projecting the standard follow-up to your claim regarding the nature of the MW (which I think I also addressed)... but it is the standard follow up smile.

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And if the middle class is shrinking because so many people are getting rich then we would be seeing millenials fighting each other to buy homes all over the country.


I don't think we can really say it's an "If". Data is data, and data does not care about our anecdotes or our feelings. It is that the middle class is shrinking because people are moving up.

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Sorry friend, but it's clear that most millenials will NEVER own a home.


I think this a claim that is exceedingly unlikely to prove true. I would agree that many are delayed in home-buying, mostly due to student-debt issues, but the idea that a majority will never buy a home is, as near as I can tell, unfounded.

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If our economy was truly healthy, hardly anyone would care what the MW was, because 90% of the people holding those jobs would be using most of it as disposable income.


On the contrary - people who wanted to change public policy would still be using MW as an emotional tool to pitch their policy preference.

The economy is indeed currently trucking along pretty well. Wages are rising, and, in fact, are rising faster for lower-end workers than for higher-end ones. Unemployment is not only low, but, is pulling people who weren't counted as unemployed (as they were on the couches instead) into the workforce.


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The most hilarious lie is the one about how most MW jobholders "don't want to work full time", and it's a lie because most MW jobs DO NOT ALLOW 40 hours because after hour 39 the employer is on the hook for benefits and a lot of other expenses, like overtime.


Yeah. Weird how the government made employees a lot more expensive once they worked 30 hours a week, and employers rationally responded by not letting many of their employees work 30 hours a week.

smile Gosh. If only that had been completely predictable.

However, that doesn't - actually - change the point, which was that these people are not supporting households, but are instead generally students and housewives working second jobs.

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In most cases you are NOT ALLOWED to rack up more than 39 hours a week, so you're part time whether you like it or not.

Don't take my word for it, go ask Walmart.


Wal-Mart doesn't pay minimum wage.


Edited by CPWILL (01/28/20 04:48 AM)
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#320692 - 01/28/20 05:11 PM Re: Minimum wage [Re: CPWILL]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL


Don't take my word for it, go ask Walmart.


Originally Posted By: CPWILL


Funny that, seems that when one applies to work there, they always tuck in a Medicaid and food stamp application in the employment packet.

That means taxpayers are underwriting Walmart's overhead costs.
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#320701 - 01/28/20 07:30 PM Re: Minimum wage [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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taxpayers are underwriting Walmart's overhead costs.


That's perfectly okay! Just so taxpayers are underwriting the costs of billionaires and not the costs of taxpayers. Taxes are best spent on wars and the wealthy.
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#320710 - 01/28/20 11:40 PM Re: Minimum wage [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
The economy is indeed currently trucking along pretty well.

But izzit?

How do you explain the near $1 trillion deficit? Looks like the economy is going in the hole at an increasingly accelerated pace.
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#320721 - 01/29/20 02:08 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
The economy is indeed currently trucking along pretty well.

But izzit?


Yup.

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How do you explain the near $1 trillion deficit? Looks like the economy is going in the hole at an increasingly accelerated pace.


Nope - Government tax revenues are up. Spending is just rising that much faster.


Edited by CPWILL (01/29/20 02:08 AM)
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#320723 - 01/29/20 02:57 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Nope - Government tax revenues are up. Spending is just rising that much faster.

Spending (deficit spending) is up to stimulate the economy. Ergo, the economy is based on increasing debt.

Revenues are up due to the tariffs (taxes), The tariffs are not stimulating the economy.
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#320726 - 01/29/20 03:16 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: logtroll]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 15098
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Nope - Government tax revenues are up. Spending is just rising that much faster.

Spending (deficit spending) is up to stimulate the economy. Ergo, the economy is based on increasing debt.

Revenues are up due to the tariffs (taxes), The tariffs are not stimulating the economy.


They think we don't understand "Hide the Salami".
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#320727 - 01/29/20 03:19 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
CPWILL Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Nope - Government tax revenues are up. Spending is just rising that much faster.

Spending (deficit spending) is up to stimulate the economy. Ergo, the economy is based on increasing debt.

Revenues are up due to the tariffs (taxes), The tariffs are not stimulating the economy.


They think we don't understand "Hide the Salami".


See, I have a hilarious joke in response to that, but only Marines will find it funny, and it tends to horrify civilians. laugh


Edited by CPWILL (01/29/20 03:20 AM)
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#320728 - 01/29/20 03:50 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: CPWILL]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Nope - Government tax revenues are up. Spending is just rising that much faster.

Spending (deficit spending) is up to stimulate the economy. Ergo, the economy is based on increasing debt.

Revenues are up due to the tariffs (taxes), The tariffs are not stimulating the economy.


They think we don't understand "Hide the Salami".


See, I have a hilarious joke in response to that, but only Marines will find it funny, and it tends to horrify civilians. laugh


I'm married to a Navy Engineman.
You see, it's true that I am not the veteran, however I am the six foot growth attached to the veteran.

I may have even heard some version of it before.
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