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#320554 - 01/25/20 08:06 PM Re: I just don't get Trump [Re: jgw]
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Which Christians? (More than denominations 33,000! - each one, I am sure, know the TRUTH! - all others damned?)

I thought this might belong here ():
https://www.adherents.com/misc/WCE.html


Edited by jgw (01/25/20 08:37 PM)

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#320556 - 01/25/20 08:16 PM Re: I just don't get Trump [Re: jgw]
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...brings back a memory & smiles.
Mom & Dad were married back in 1936 by a priest (Mom was very Catholic) but not in a church (Dad not religious) . Spin ahead 34 years as my now ex-brother-in-law/wannabe lawyer/ongoing a$$hole is about to be baptized in order to satisfy my sister's need for a good Catholic wedding/marriage (she got one of those).
As this typical, solemn, quiet, though echoing ceremony began, my father sat between me and the future b-i-l's father (a good man). Dad decided to describe his own version of this event to the future b-i-l's father...in a voice which was just loud enough for all around him to hear...it also resulted in my very loud belched laugh drawing even more attention to the words.
So Dad says...Roselyn & her family wanted me to get baptized before we got married. I went through the lessons, listened to the priest. When it came time to be baptized and was asked if I accepted all it required me to believe, I told the priest "no, there are already way too many hypocrites in the church".
Mom got the last word though...Dad was unconscious, on his literal death bed when Mom had a priest baptize him...no questions asked. When he came to, unable to speak because of a very bad stroke, he was told what happened & cried. Always wanted to read his mind those last couple days.
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#320558 - 01/25/20 08:32 PM Re: I just don't get Trump [Re: BC]
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I been baptized. Filled out more than one of those cards in church that said I accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior too. And I recited the pledgeofallegiance along with the Lord's Prayer every morning before lessons began.

Wasn't much in the way of religionism in my public school, it was generally accepted that the Methodists and the Baptists had very different beliefs and so it was best not to broach the subject.
And we ate fish on Fridays.

Near as I can tell my folks sent us kids to Sunday School so they could f*ck on Sunday morning.
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#320561 - 01/25/20 11:14 PM Re: I just don't get Trump [Re: BC]
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Originally Posted By: BC
...brings back a memory & smiles.
Mom & Dad were married back in 1936 by a priest (Mom was very Catholic) but not in a church (Dad not religious) . Spin ahead 34 years as my now ex-brother-in-law/wannabe lawyer/ongoing a$$hole is about to be baptized in order to satisfy my sister's need for a good Catholic wedding/marriage (she got one of those).
As this typical, solemn, quiet, though echoing ceremony began, my father sat between me and the future b-i-l's father (a good man). Dad decided to describe his own version of this event to the future b-i-l's father...in a voice which was just loud enough for all around him to hear...it also resulted in my very loud belched laugh drawing even more attention to the words.
So Dad says...Roselyn & her family wanted me to get baptized before we got married. I went through the lessons, listened to the priest. When it came time to be baptized and was asked if I accepted all it required me to believe, I told the priest "no, there are already way too many hypocrites in the church".
Mom got the last word though...Dad was unconscious, on his literal death bed when Mom had a priest baptize him...no questions asked. When he came to, unable to speak because of a very bad stroke, he was told what happened & cried. Always wanted to read his mind those last couple days.


My mother was an Italian Catholic "illegal immigrant" who fled here with her parents in the 1920's. A WOP, as in "With Out Papers".
Fascist operatives wandered into her father's cabinet maker shop and pretty much told him at gunpoint: "Get out and live or stay and die, this is not your shop anymore."

My father was smuggled here in 1937 by his father in the belly of a steam freighter, fleeing Hitler. He was Jewish.

They met and fell in love, and when the time came to marry, my mom's family had to get special dispensation from the papal nunzio and still, at the last minute, the pastor refused to do the wedding in the church, thus they were married in the vestibule, apparently to prevent my dad's Jewish blood from besmirching the sanctuary.

I was raised Catholic but "fell away" at age nine when the pastor informed me that my salvation may be in question "as the product of an illegitimate union."

So you might understand that ever since then I've been skeptical of organized religion on the whole.
God is faith, God is love, mankind are the jerks who build churches where they sell God's faith and love like so many bottles of beer.
I'll get mine from the original source, thanks.
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#320563 - 01/25/20 11:30 PM Re: I just don't get Trump [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Funny that you were unwelcome in the church because your dad had the same religion as Jesus! You'd think Christians would have some respect for God's Chosen People. Catholics seem to forget that it was Roman Centurians who pounded in the nails, not Jews.

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Near as I can tell my folks sent us kids to Sunday School so they could f*ck on Sunday morning.

That's a form of worship, in my book. A weekly encounter with the divine.

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#320564 - 01/25/20 11:40 PM Re: I just don't get Trump [Re: jgw]
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I can see the church kicking out people who misbehave, but according to Matthew 25 they were supposed to keep on feeding them. Jesus said "the least of these my brothers" not "the least of these my brothers who are members of the church in good standing". He hung out with prostitutes and thieves after all.

I think those church leaders are in Hell now. At least that's what Jesus said about the goats.

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#320566 - 01/26/20 12:15 AM Re: I just don't get Trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Quote:
Jesus said...

There we go again. We don't even know what George Washington said and we know he was a real person. The cherry tree story is false by the way. Maybe...we don't really know...it was too long ago. There are no accurate records. The Bible is not an accurate record.
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#320608 - 01/26/20 09:01 PM Re: I just don't get Trump [Re: jgw]
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"The Bible is not an accurate record" - Really! How could you say that! You do know were this will send you? Are you sure?

The bible is, as far as I can tell, the result of probably 15 real re-writes and probably hundreds of 'little' changes so that better understanding occurs due to modern language changes (always admired that little piece of crap). Anyway, most believers actually think that the bible is the human effort to put down the Words of the Lord. Ya Right, Nice Try.

I could go on but cannot - just can't.......... (there are adventures in humor, here, that simply overwhelm)

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#320611 - 01/26/20 11:30 PM Re: I just don't get Trump [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Which Christians? (More than denominations 33,000! - each one, I am sure, know the TRUTH! - all others damned?)

I thought this might belong here ():
https://www.adherents.com/misc/WCE.html

It's all about abortion for American Evangelicals and Trump. These are the same people who support the right to own an AR-15 that kills multiple amount of people in 30 seconds. I guarantee that Trump has paid for more than a few abortions in his sad, pathetic, lifetime.

The irony of these hypocrites. Hmm
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#320656 - 01/27/20 08:42 PM Re: I just don't get Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Right to Life has nothing to do with children - NOTHING! I have always said that if they would take care of those unwanted children forced to exist, through college, I might support them. I think they object to the procedures and private parts more than anything else. "Right to Life" might as well be "Right to Misery and Snooping".

Its kindofa real good example of an idea that sounds real good but, in practice isn't. There is actually some evidence that the law allowing abortions actually reduced the crime rate. I also know that when abortions are not allowed then real pain, of all sorts, happens. Unwanted children, for instance, live in huge pain most of their formative years.

An interesting fact is that the supremes ruling to allow abortions - didn't. It just gave the right to doctors and patients to have privacy. I find the entire thing to be strange.......

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