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#320655 - 01/27/20 08:38 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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For some unknown reason, natural gas or propane-fired generators seem to be illegal in California although a big propane tank seems like a great way to store a lot of energy. And propane is much cleaner than gasoline.

I've been thinking about how to store 25 KWHrs of energy on a daily cycle. I have a grid-tie that is rated for 5 KW, but if I could feed it to SDG&E from 4 PM to 9 PM, I would make a lot more money. They are putting everybody on time-of-use rates to screw over people with solar panels.

What I do have is a gully I could dam, and a large vacant lot a couple of hundred feet above that. So I could pump water up to an above ground pool when the sun shines, and run micro-hydro from 4-9.

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#320658 - 01/27/20 10:07 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
They are putting everybody on time-of-use rates to screw over people with solar panels.


The corporate commission won't let them get away with that here, but they DID allow APS to start charging household accounts a demand charge, which is criminally insane.
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#320665 - 01/28/20 02:08 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Solar is generally discouraged here.
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#320666 - 01/28/20 02:44 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
For some unknown reason, natural gas or propane-fired generators seem to be illegal in California although a big propane tank seems like a great way to store a lot of energy. And propane is much cleaner than gasoline.

I've been thinking about how to store 25 KWHrs of energy on a daily cycle. I have a grid-tie that is rated for 5 KW, but if I could feed it to SDG&E from 4 PM to 9 PM, I would make a lot more money. They are putting everybody on time-of-use rates to screw over people with solar panels.

What I do have is a gully I could dam, and a large vacant lot a couple of hundred feet above that. So I could pump water up to an above ground pool when the sun shines, and run micro-hydro from 4-9.


You sure about that natgas thing?

CARB regs re gennies

Anyway, love to see them trying to enforce that during a disaster or even a planned PG&E fire hazard outage.
I'll hook mine to the gas mains and takes muh chances.
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#320685 - 01/28/20 01:12 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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My industrial salvage guy called me last night to see if I was interested in a Capstone C30 microturbine generator for cheap.

I think we can run it using pyrolysis syngas and generate enough power to run the whole system (30Kw) including pelletizing the biomass feedstock from thinning hazardous fuels, as a mobile stand-alone system anywhere there is a pile of brush or agricultural waste. The “waste” heat will be used to dry the incoming biomass feedstock.

Cost of inputs - $0/ton
Value of outputs (biochar and pellets) - $850/ton

Our distribution plan is to sell the units to communities so they can take care of the wildfire threat while generating revenues and a host of other triple-bottom-line benefits (like atmospheric CO2 drawdown). It probably won’t work because of all the socialism involved, but we can always hope for a hostile takeover by a rich capitalist.
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#320687 - 01/28/20 03:22 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: logtroll]
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I love the idea of incorporating a microturbine to recapture the energy. I also love the marketing idea of focusing on fire resistant communities.

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#320694 - 01/28/20 05:51 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
It probably won’t work because of all the socialism involved, but we can always hope for a hostile takeover by a rich capitalist.


It probably would work in a Bernie or a Liz environment. coffee wink
And of course, the richest capitalists would still benefit the mostest through a likely hostile takeover anyway.
But at least you might get a somewhat better deal.
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#320702 - 01/28/20 08:47 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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a Bernie or a Liz environment


In a social democracy that Bernie and Liz imagine anyway.

If such a dysstopian animal existed there would be a huge employee owned plant in Indiana churning out these machines by the dozens for farmers, municipalities, and waste management companies.
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#320709 - 01/28/20 11:37 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: logtroll
It probably won’t work because of all the socialism involved, but we can always hope for a hostile takeover by a rich capitalist.


It probably would work in a Bernie or a Liz environment. coffee wink
And of course, the richest capitalists would still benefit the mostest through a likely hostile takeover anyway.
But at least you might get a somewhat better deal.

I was jist funnin'. It will work because I'm on to the evil ways a them scurrilous Capitalists!
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#320763 - 01/29/20 10:46 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: logtroll]
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You are the best kind of businessman we desperately need in the world: One who has figured out something good for the world that can make enough to more than pay for itself. It's a lot more useful than something everybody has to support with their taxes. Kind of like the guy who invented agriculture.

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