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#321391 - 02/11/20 07:45 PM Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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DOJ set to lower Stone sentencing recommendation that was criticized by Trump

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The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Tuesday is reportedly expected to change its sentencing recommendation for Roger Stone a day after telling a federal judge the Trump associate should serve between seven and nine years in prison, guidance that was sharply criticized by President Trump.


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“This is a horrible and very unfair situation. The real crimes were on the other side, as nothing happens to them. Cannot allow this miscarriage of justice!” Trump said, sharing a message from a Daily Caller reporter about federal prosecutors’ recommendation for Stone’s prison sentence.



Is there any doubt that, now with his ownership of DOJ through William Barr, that President Donald Trump is now above the law?
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#321405 - 02/11/20 09:47 PM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I never doubted it for a minute. And I never doubted that Stone would be pardoned. Nor that Vindeman would be fired. I can't imagine why he hadn't already resigned. Unless he just wanted to stir up a little more trouble for Trump...
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#321407 - 02/11/20 09:58 PM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Three of the four prosecutors on the Roger Stone case HAVE RESIGNED after Trump forced DOJ to recommend a lighter sentence.

Story developing.
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#321413 - 02/12/20 12:56 AM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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And now ALL FOUR have quit.
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#321414 - 02/12/20 01:02 AM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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David Laufman
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"A shocking, cram-down political intervention in the criminal justice process. We are now truly at a break-glass-in-case-of-fire moment for the Justice Dept."

David Laufman on TWITTER

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#321416 - 02/12/20 03:34 AM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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A pardon could actually be very dangerous for Stone: If he goes to prison, everybody will think that he has paid for his crimes. If he is pardoned, there are going to be people who think he deserves punishment. Considering we have 327 million people in this country with 393 million guns, I think there would be a huge target on Stone's back.

Presidents are supposed to use pardons for just causes, not to let their co-conspirator walk. Someone would kill Stone just to show Trump his pardon power is useless.

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#321441 - 02/12/20 08:05 PM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I think that three have quite the case and one has left the job completely. (could be wrong).

That being said the DOJ seems to be destroying their reputation due to Barr. Who would have guessed that he would have turned into a Trump Todie? Maybe the House Dems might consider another little adventure with impeachment? I think they already have him in contempt.

How about this? What would happen if the house actually tried to use ALL avenues to enforce their will bestowed by the constitution. So far it appears that they have no power, cannot actually get any legislation, etc. The question, I think, is rapidly starting to be akin to wondering what the hell good is the entire congress. Trump wants it gone and they are doing absolutely nothing to make anybody think that might not be a bad idea?

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#321444 - 02/12/20 08:20 PM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
I think that three have quite the case and one has left the job completely. (could be wrong).



All 4 have actually resigned as of today.
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#321447 - 02/12/20 09:07 PM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Clarification: I suspect you meant "quit" the case, rather than "quite" the case.

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#321806 - 02/22/20 08:23 AM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Roger Stone's balls have come back from Rigor Stoneitis and he is now demanding that the judge be disqualified from the case.

Gawl-Damn them's be some big ole balls, he has to carry them around in a dump truck.

Mobbed up as deep as ever in recorded history if you don't count Genghis Khan.

POLITICO story Feb 22, 2020
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#321826 - 02/22/20 07:33 PM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Have y'all read the transcript od the sentencing hearing? It was a tour de force of judicial bitch-slappery. Moreover, it is unlikely to be overturned on appeal. The 40 months was light, as most white collar sentences tend to be. The guidelines were put in place to correct that, but judges tend to come from the same economic class as the defendants, so tend to sentence accordingly. But, given that lenity, Stone may have to think twice about a new trial. The general rule is that a new trial "results in a retrial of the whole case, verdict, judgment, and sentence." The next judge may not be so lenient.

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#321832 - 02/22/20 08:59 PM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: NW Ponderer]
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You're aware that Trump is just going to pardon him anyway, right?

All the rest is simply bluster, Roger Stone being Roger Stone.
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#321849 - 02/22/20 11:17 PM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I think Trump has started that process already, looking around for crooks to pardon just so pardoning Stone doesn't seem so corrupt. Which of course, paves the way for Trump's own pardon.

But, with any luck, somebody will kill Stone on the way home from jail. Are you watching God? A fatal stroke would be fitting. Then he can have a nice mausoleum with a floor drain. For all the people who want to leave a tribute.

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#321880 - 02/23/20 08:24 PM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Donald Trump is single-handedly de-criminalizing white collar crime and refuting the sentences of those incarcerated for it. He is right now brainwashing the brainless minions who support him into believing that these people aren't criminals at all, merely victims of partisan political attacks who were jailed for standing up against socialist attempts to destroy our nation.

At the same time, he is building a judicial system that feels the same way...That the crimes of the wealthy are not crimes at all.
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#322077 - 02/27/20 03:42 PM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
You're aware that Trump is just going to pardon him anyway, right?

All the rest is simply bluster, Roger Stone being Roger Stone.


Maybe not.

Why President Trump Can’t Pardon Roger Stone an opinion piece in Politico. May be this is why President Donald (...) Trump* cried and ranted over the expected sentence of his pal Roger Stone. Only the SCOTUS will tell...


* Impeached


Edited by Ujest Shurly (02/27/20 03:42 PM)
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#322090 - 02/27/20 04:40 PM Re: Above the law: DOJ lowering Stone sentencing [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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“power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.”

Roger Stone wasn't impeached...
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