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#321495 - 02/13/20 09:57 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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Jgw, Why is it you imagine that me, and Chunks, and Bernie want to somehow recreate the Soviet Union and call it Pair-O-Dice? Let's see...I have a pie chart here somewhere...

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#321503 - 02/14/20 03:26 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Pretty much............ There are, however, differences. If you consider Russia, for instance, where they treated their downtrodden like slaves for a very long time before they actually got pissed off.


That doesn't sound at all familiar.
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#321512 - 02/14/20 06:37 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: jgw
Pretty much............ There are, however, differences. If you consider Russia, for instance, where they treated their downtrodden like slaves for a very long time before they actually got pissed off.


That doesn't sound at all familiar.


OY!
The working class were exploited until they revolted!

Bougies and Proles! It's built into the Hindu religion and it's caste system. It was built into the USSR, It was built into pre-revolutionary Russia, it's built into the current US economy.

It's built into most societies. The rich write the rules.

Eventually the poor eat them. Then the richest of the poor take charge and immediately begin exploiting the labor of the other poor.
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#321513 - 02/14/20 06:57 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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First, I was trying to point out that that the phrase; "different strokes ...." can reference entirely different cultures, nations, etc. as well as individuals. India is, for instance, much different than what we have here. My little story was trying to point out that there are different standards for being "poor" and the difference between Russia and the United States was stark. I may also be of interest that it took a german to get the Russians going on their revolution.

"Jgw, Why is it you imagine that me, and Chunks, and Bernie want to somehow recreate the Soviet Union and call it Pair-O-Dice? Let's see...I have a pie chart here somewhere..."
Its not what you want its what can happen. Any politician determined to tell people how to live their lives is on the way. Not necessarily on a road to communism so much as a road to tyrant/dictator/despot regardless of the claimed type of government. If you take a good look at Bernie's site, and plans, there is a distinct flavor there that I don't find exactly settling. it basically boils down to being a bit nervous when anybody knows what's best for everybody else.

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#321514 - 02/14/20 07:28 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
First, I was trying to point out that that the phrase; "different strokes ...." can reference entirely different cultures, nations, etc. as well as individuals. India is, for instance, much different than what we have here. My little story was trying to point out that there are different standards for being "poor" and the difference between Russia and the United States was stark. I may also be of interest that it took a german to get the Russians going on their revolution.

"Jgw, Why is it you imagine that me, and Chunks, and Bernie want to somehow recreate the Soviet Union and call it Pair-O-Dice? Let's see...I have a pie chart here somewhere..."
Its not what you want its what can happen. Any politician determined to tell people how to live their lives is on the way. Not necessarily on a road to communism so much as a road to tyrant/dictator/despot regardless of the claimed type of government. If you take a good look at Bernie's site, and plans, there is a distinct flavor there that I don't find exactly settling. it basically boils down to being a bit nervous when anybody knows what's best for everybody else.


Given the authoritarian nightmare we have right now, I'm okay with having the socialists take a crack at governing.
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#321519 - 02/14/20 08:44 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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Governing is a bit different from having government tell everybody how to live their lives, I think. Socialism (including Social Socialism) seems to want to do that as they obviously know best (and make no bones about it).

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#321523 - 02/14/20 09:06 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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Quote:
a road to tyrant/dictator/despot regardless of the claimed type of government.

Interesting how the government you seem to be espousing is the one that got us our current dictator.

Quote:
it basically boils down to being a bit nervous when anybody knows what's best for everybody else.


That's why we look around the world to see what's working best in other places. Is it just a coincidence that the ten happiest nations are all social democracies?

The happiest nations are where workers are exploited the least.

Speaking of nuclear reactors how bout that Rolls Royce Reactor in Trawsfynydd! Might start building it next year.

I dunno if it burns gas or diesel.
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#321528 - 02/14/20 09:27 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Governing is a bit different from having government tell everybody how to live their lives, I think. Socialism (including Social Socialism) seems to want to do that as they obviously know best (and make no bones about it).


This is why Canadians and Norwegians are just hive minds, of course.

You are making a category error.
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#321537 - 02/15/20 01:14 AM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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Well, we did have the choice of business as usual versus Trump in 2016. Enough people in enough places opted against business as usual. And how different from a dictatorship is social democracy? Imagine that, a government that exists to serve the people, and not just the 1%! We just might end up with Bernie because most people want something different. Their first try did not go well, so try something different.

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#321557 - 02/15/20 05:12 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
it basically boils down to being a bit nervous when anybody knows what's best for everybody else.


You mean like when CIGNA was telling folks they knew what's best for everyone else back in 2007?

Nataline Sarkisyan was an American teenager with recurrent leukemia. Her case became part of the health care reform debate in the United States in 2007 when Cigna HealthCare denied coverage for a liver transplant operation.
I guess CIGNA knew best.
By the way, seventeen year old Nataline Sarkisian wasn't underinsured. She was on the family policy paid for by her father, a top exec at Mercedes-Benz.
Yeah, that's right, it wasn't a "Cadillac" plan, it was a Mercedes plan! And they STILL refused to cover the surgery anyway.
That sort of thing is about to return to the US healthcare system because right now there isn't a damn thing we can do to stop Trump when he brings back rescission for preexisting conditions and picking winners and losers for lifesaving procedures.

What you're basically doing, even if you don't realize it, is giving aid and comfort to the old "death panels" argument but only this time around it's been given the "Lee Atwater" treatment where they use different terms and labels, like "government knows what's best" or "taking away our choices".

Your employer chooses your health plan.
Your insurance chooses your healthcare provider.
Your insurance chooses what prescriptions get covered.
Your insurer chooses your doctors.


Tell me again what choices you get to make in all of that.
It is the worst and weakest argument you can make because it is not the reality.
And it's even less the reality when you realize that you might get laid off and that might also jeopardize your healthcare coverage.

People are being told they should have a choice when they've never had a choice to begin with.

I'll tell who the only people who have real choices are, the ones who are wealthy enough that they can afford to pay for their healthcare entirely in cash.
Is anybody on the Rant that wealthy?
Wait, don't tell me, just tell me if you're NOT that wealthy, how's that instead?

DING DING DING - I am NOT that wealthy.
Show of hands, anyone else not that wealthy?
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