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#321550 - 02/15/20 11:57 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle


I can fix this link so it reads proper.
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#321551 - 02/15/20 12:14 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Thanks Jeff. Even better

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#321553 - 02/15/20 03:06 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Thanks Jeff. Even better


Surely you knew Bernie was going to legalize pot. He was saying he would four years ago.
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#321554 - 02/15/20 03:13 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
I don't know how much you were following the Occupy movement as it was happening but you could hear the distant drums beating all the way in Upstate NY.


My big problem with the Occupy movement wasn't its positions, it was the fact that they insisted they were a "leaderless movement".
Such a thing is impossible, logistically speaking.
So called "leaderless" movements never remain leaderless for very long.

It's another way of saying, "we refuse to focus our message" and "we resist unity", and the result is always the same, a power vacuum, which gets filled sooner rather than later.
And in the case of Occupy, more often than not that vacuum got filled by self-appointed raconteurs either from the anarchist outfits or worse, paid agitators.

All "movements" whether social, economic, religious, or anything else, are by nature a form of leadership, so the notion of a leaderless movement is a contradiction in terms no matter how badly people wish to believe otherwise, and by leaving the position open, Occupy might as well have sent out engraved invitations to people with unsavory cred.

And still, even despite all this, Occupy still managed to do a lot of good. They forced a lot of banks to walk back their zombie loans and scheduled foreclosure evictions, plus they found temporary housing.
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#321589 - 02/16/20 01:36 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Will America vote for a radical candidate?

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Make no mistake -- President Donald Trump is the most radical choice in the 2020 election. For all the talk about Democrats trying to figure out whether to nominate a "radical" candidate or a "moderate" one, it's, in fact, the Republican Party that has already made its choice to veer so far from the center of American politics that Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren pale in comparison to the man who currently holds the highest office in the land.

The media tends to characterize President Trump by describing him as "unconventional" or "unstable," rather than radical. In doing so, they tend to ignore the most defining element of his presidency and the direction the Republican Party has taken. The pollsters who have focused on asking whether candidates like Sanders or Warren are too radical to be elected should also ask voters whether they think our democracy can withstand the radicalism of Trump for four more years.


Donald Trump - Radical Corporate Socialist
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#321591 - 02/16/20 05:19 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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My big problem with the Occupy movement wasn't its positions, it was the fact that they insisted they were a "leaderless movement".


It was never meant to be anything more than a spontaneous occupation of space to make a political point. It wasn't a "movement" it wasn't an "organization" No leaders were needed to organize further protests or to keep the movement moving.

Rather than "leaders" Occupy had instigators.
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#321592 - 02/16/20 05:45 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: logtroll]
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Donald Trump - Ra dical Corporate Socialist cist Assh*le

Fixed it for ya...

Galts Gulch is NOT a socialist society.
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#321596 - 02/16/20 07:13 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Donald Trump - Ra dical Corporate Socialist cist Assh*le

Fixed it for ya...

Galts Gulch is NOT a socialist society.

Man, yer messin' with my counter-Trump propaganda!
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#321597 - 02/16/20 08:31 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: logtroll]
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First "Donald Trump - Radical Corporate Socialist" is a GREAT thing to put in from of his name! That one can stick!

Now, the media. Sometimes I think folks don't understand. Media chooses who wins what. I firmly believe that and I also believe its on purpose. They have picked, the Democratic winner in Amy Klobuchar so she is getting a lot of exposure right now. This can change of course (media seems a bit fickle these days)

I used to think that Pete Buttigieg would be anointed by the media but Amy isn't queer, and a female, and they are picking a winner?

I may be of interest that I am wrong a lot of the time (suprise!) I used to bet on my ability at picking winners - I lost my shirt! All that being said one still likes to at least try?

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#321615 - 02/17/20 02:14 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: jgw]
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How bout calling it what it is instead. Crony capitalism looting the treasury.
Why involve socialism in something its not.
Oh wait....
Red baiting.

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