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#321027 - 02/04/20 09:55 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: Ma_Republican]
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In my opinion, every tax cut is a pay raise, and I will take every pay raise that I can get.


Me too! My property tax just got cut in half because I'm old, poor, and crippled. That and the COLA on the SS check added up to about $70 a month so I'm walkin' in high cotton this year!
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#321028 - 02/04/20 09:57 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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In my opinion, every tax cut is a pay raise, and I will take every pay raise that I can get.


Me too! My property tax just got cut in half because I'm old, poor, and crippled. That and the COLA on the SS check was was about $70 Bucks a month so I'm walkin' in high cotton this year!

Tsk, tsk... you and Timbo are peas in a pod!
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#321048 - 02/05/20 02:06 AM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: jgw]
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I don't mind giving working people a $200 tax cut. Great idea! But when you give the Waltons a 20 million dollar tax cut at the same time, something is rotten in Denmark.

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#321061 - 02/05/20 03:38 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I don't mind giving working people a $200 tax cut. Great idea! But when you give the Waltons a 20 million dollar tax cut at the same time, something is rotten in Denmark.


I mind when Exxon gets a billion or more in tax REFUNDS.
I mind when Amazon pays ZERO.
I mind the way Warren Buffett minds, that his secretary pays a higher tax rate than he does.

Yeah yeah yeah I've heard the stock answer: "Buffett can always mail a check for the difference if he feels that guilty."

That isn't the point.
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#321063 - 02/05/20 04:16 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
I like to tell people that Momma raised ugly kids, not dumb kids. Turning down free money is dumb, and a tax cut is as free as money gets.

I have another question - do you think there are many right-wingers who are actually fiscally conservative, or better yet fiscally responsible?

Or all they all just selfishly greedy without a care for the consequences?


You say greedy, I say pragmatic. There comes a time when fighting is just too hard. I am fiscally responsible and fiscally conservative. I pay my bills on time, do not usually run a deficit and have enough to put some in the savings account for a rainy day (or a vacation).

I refuse to be shamed. You don't want free money, send it my way and I will take your share too. I have no say in how my taxes are spent, if I did we would be paying much less in taxes. My representatives in congress do not share my fiscal conservancy, as a matter of fact, they are the exact opposite of what I believe in.

If they want to return some of my tax contributions, I will take the money and run. You should do the same, because if you really believe that the government will be there for you when you need it, I have some beach front property in Iowa. I will show it to you on an app.

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#321064 - 02/05/20 04:56 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I don't mind giving working people a $200 tax cut. Great idea! But when you give the Waltons a 20 million dollar tax cut at the same time, something is rotten in Denmark.


I mind when Exxon gets a billion or more in tax REFUNDS.
I mind when Amazon pays ZERO.
I mind the way Warren Buffett minds, that his secretary pays a higher tax rate than he does.

Yeah yeah yeah I've heard the stock answer: "Buffett can always mail a check for the difference if he feels that guilty."

That isn't the point.


This is precisely why capitalism is a doomed model.

Capitalism is only 150 years old. There hasn't yet been time for the average Joe to see the built in failure mode, mostly because the people who doom the system (billionaires, by today's standards) have been remarkable effective in making sure the vast majority of people don't get it.

Liquidity sumps are an immutable part of capitalism. Money arrives at these sumps and stops moving (ie, Apple or Amazon).

So Jeff Bezos wins, and all the wannabe tycoons lose, but still screech out their support for mathematically-guaranteed failure.


Edited by Hamish Howl (02/05/20 04:56 PM)
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#321069 - 02/05/20 08:17 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: jgw]
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Whoever takes over, after the 2020 election, cannot give any tax breaks without wrecking the economy. We are already at a serious tipping point (our tax debt is bigger than our annual GDP!) Tax breaks would cause it all to come apart, you know, little things like a dollar becoming worth approximately 2 cents and jobs going away.

I know what will happen if the Dems take charge. They will behave exactly like they normally do. They will try their best to fix the debt problem (normally without pointing out where it came from and who did it). They will raise taxes but, hopefully, they will work with corporations and the very rich. We should remember, we are, right now, experiencing the benefits of the Bush tax cut and the Obama tax cut. I fear the Trump tax cut has broken the proverbial back.

Anyway, in the fullness of time..................

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#321102 - 02/06/20 02:17 AM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
You say greedy, I say pragmatic. There comes a time when fighting is just too hard. I am fiscally responsible and fiscally conservative. I pay my bills on time, do not usually run a deficit and have enough to put some in the savings account for a rainy day (or a vacation).

I refuse to be shamed. You don't want free money, send it my way and I will take your share too. I have no say in how my taxes are spent, if I did we would be paying much less in taxes. My representatives in congress do not share my fiscal conservancy, as a matter of fact, they are the exact opposite of what I believe in.

If they want to return some of my tax contributions, I will take the money and run. You should do the same, because if you really believe that the government will be there for you when you need it, I have some beach front property in Iowa. I will show it to you on an app.

Tim

I was agreeing with you, Tim, not fighting. You are just one of those patriots who needs a full menu of laws and regulations to keep you an honest and team-playing American!
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#321562 - 02/15/20 07:31 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: jgw]
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Trump has no respect at all for the Constitution or the Republic no matter how much his supporters claim otherwise and he represents a clear and present threat to this Republic.

The fact that Trump can spend money to yell COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE at every Democratic candidate is not a measure by which we should choose a candidate, just because so called "independents" might get scared the second Trump calls them a commie.

NEWS FLASH: Trump and Trumpers think anyone who doesn't like Trump is a commie, even other Republicans!

Independents are hereby on notice to explain why they should honor anything Trump claims given the above .

Not only are independents now required to justify their air of superiority, they are now required to prove it lock stock and barrel because if they're so timid that just hearing Trump yell COMMIE one time is enough to shake the foundations of their values, then it sounds like they're turning the word "independent" into a synonym for "uninformed idiot".

If they're not uninformed idiots, they should be able to see right through Trump's weak sauce red baiting AND they should also be able to make an intelligent determination as to the policies and values of the Democratic candidates as well as any other candidates.

I'm fed up with people walking around acting superior by claiming they are "independent" and then proving that they really don't even know as much as either Republicans OR Democrats.

It's like watching old bikers walking around claiming they are "patriots" while proving that they have no respect for anything remotely patriotic, or "Constitutionalists" that don't know f*ck-all about the Constitution, or Christians who don't know f*ck-all about Christ.

I might as well tell everyone I'm a doctor, because I read about healthcare a lot.
Hey!!! I'm "an independent" doctor!!!
I don't believe in the AMA and I attended medical school at the University of Hard Knocks!

Bullshit bullshit bullshit ad nauseum.
Sorry so called "independents"...not all of you get the "free pass" and not all of you ever deserved any kind of a pass.
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#321563 - 02/15/20 08:05 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
I might as well tell everyone I'm a doctor, because I read about healthcare a lot.

Did you, by chance, ever stay at a Holiday Inn Express?
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