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#321559 - 02/15/20 05:52 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Dude, is them all the choices I get?
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#321568 - 02/15/20 09:45 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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It seems I have upset some socialists. First, I believe that Socialism is a slippery path for somebody, or a small group of somebodys, to take over and tell everybody else how to live.

Second, i don't really care if somebody wants to be a socialist, what I actually really care about are Socialists claiming to be Socialists and running under the Democratic banner. This simply means that the Democrats are going to get crushed if one of those are running this year as president. Presidents, and those who run to be Presidents tend to represent. In this case they paint the entire Democratic party as socialist and that means that they are incredibly unlikely to win. I am not alone with this one. Those of us who really want Trump gone really want him gone and those claiming to be socialist, and trying to paint the entire Democratic party as socialist are, basically, helping Trump win!

I really don't understand why anybody wants to even claim to be a Socialist. That has been so demonized that 'everybody' knows what 'they' are. Anybody who doesn't understand that has a problem. The Republicans are genuine experts at demonization. When they are through gaslighting and demonizing the subject is wrecked, insofar as getting elected is concerned. This is simply the way it is. I am not claiming its right, I am not denying anybody's right to do whatever, i am just say, in this particular case, I do not think its a very bright thing to do if you want Trump gone. I think its going to be hard enough to get rid of a man who has a very good economy, full employment, etc. I know, there are things bad one can say about Trump but those two things alone are enough for a LOT of people.

there is a reason that Trump really wants to run against Bernie. The Republicans really want to run against Bernie. They make no bones about that one. If Bernie gets the nod then the Democrats will have to climb a mountain that will probably be impossible to climb. Given the economy that's just the tip of the problem.

This is just what I believe and there are a lot of others who feel exactly the same way. just saying....

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#321570 - 02/15/20 10:00 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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I am certainly not that wealthy. Very few people are. But Trump cannot end ACA or even change it much. What he has done is add other crappy insurance plans, and anybody who signs up for those is an idiot and deserves what they get: Con-job insurance from a con man.

I hope lots of Trump's followers DO sigh up for those plans. Serves them right.

Just like I'm thinking gun control may be a bad idea, because most gun deaths are suicides. So gun nuts are killing themselves. Most gun nuts are Trump supporters, so fewer people vote for him because they are dead. Is this a bad thing?

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#321572 - 02/15/20 11:47 PM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
It seems I have upset some socialists. First, I believe that Socialism is a slippery path for somebody, or a small group of somebodys, to take over and tell everybody else how to live.

Second, i don't really care if somebody wants to be a socialist, what I actually really care about are Socialists claiming to be Socialists and running under the Democratic banner. This simply means that the Democrats are going to get crushed if one of those are running this year as president. Presidents, and those who run to be Presidents tend to represent. In this case they paint the entire Democratic party as socialist and that means that they are incredibly unlikely to win. I am not alone with this one. Those of us who really want Trump gone really want him gone and those claiming to be socialist, and trying to paint the entire Democratic party as socialist are, basically, helping Trump win!

I really don't understand why anybody wants to even claim to be a Socialist. That has been so demonized that 'everybody' knows what 'they' are. Anybody who doesn't understand that has a problem. The Republicans are genuine experts at demonization. When they are through gaslighting and demonizing the subject is wrecked, insofar as getting elected is concerned. This is simply the way it is. I am not claiming its right, I am not denying anybody's right to do whatever, i am just say, in this particular case, I do not think its a very bright thing to do if you want Trump gone. I think its going to be hard enough to get rid of a man who has a very good economy, full employment, etc. I know, there are things bad one can say about Trump but those two things alone are enough for a LOT of people.

there is a reason that Trump really wants to run against Bernie. The Republicans really want to run against Bernie. They make no bones about that one. If Bernie gets the nod then the Democrats will have to climb a mountain that will probably be impossible to climb. Given the economy that's just the tip of the problem.

This is just what I believe and there are a lot of others who feel exactly the same way. just saying....


I grant you EVERYTHING, but stop for a moment and look back at all the moderates and consider what our reward has been for fielding those moderates.

Allowing Trump the power to pick our candidates, we might as well hand him the election anyway if that's the issue.
While many are worried about what he's going to do running against a guy like Bernie, to them I ask, have you considered what they HAVE done and WILL continue TO DO against a moderate?

Fear of Bernie is one thing, but there's nothing on record yet.
We have twenty-something years worth of evidence as to what they do to moderates. They CRUSH them by any means necessary, including cheating and destroying the system itself, even while cheering at bon mots like

"I see myself as a Leninist, deconstructing the administrative state."

That's one of Trump's biggest influencers, Steve Bannon.
FIRED? Don't believe it for a second, Bannon still has Trump's ear and the ear of everyone who reads Breitbart.
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#321575 - 02/16/20 12:42 AM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Trump sez, "Bernie's a Socialist! He's gonna wreck the economy by giving you free stuff!!"

Bernie sez, "King Kon is a Corporate Socialist! He is wrecking America and giving it to the 1%! I'm gonna give the regular people what you need to live securely without fear and make a real economy that works for you!!"
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#321576 - 02/16/20 12:43 AM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: logtroll]
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Then they can get into Trump's $1 trillion annual deficit spending...
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#321577 - 02/16/20 12:45 AM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: jgw]
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Side note: We sorta strayed pretty far from thorium.
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#321578 - 02/16/20 12:55 AM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Quote:
It seems I have upset some socialists.


Not at all my friend! Someone has to play foil to the harebrained schemes of the far left!

A living wage. Education. Health insurance. Legal weed.

Scary stuff I know. After that we'll begin to gulag the Republicans.
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#321579 - 02/16/20 12:59 AM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Side note: We sorta strayed pretty far from thorium.

I tried to nudge it back...
Originally Posted By: Greger
Speaking of nuclear reactors how bout that Rolls Royce Reactor in Trawsfynydd! Might start building it next year.

I dunno if it burns gas or diesel.
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#321587 - 02/16/20 06:47 AM Re: Thorium Reactor [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Side note: We sorta strayed pretty far from thorium.

I tried to nudge it back...
Originally Posted By: Greger
Speaking of nuclear reactors how bout that Rolls Royce Reactor in Trawsfynydd! Might start building it next year.

I dunno if it burns gas or diesel.


You know me, I am all for the modular mini-nukes.
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