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#321627 - 02/17/20 07:46 PM Why not?
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Yet another instance where the Dems simply are not doing a whole lot.

Its a known fact that the Republicans of the Senate are sitting on more than 400 bills passed by the house. 400!

This means, for instance, that candidates running might just mention some of these bills and actually promise that if they can take the Senate, as well as the House, they will start passing these bills and sending them to the president (hopefully Democratic). 400 is LOT of legislating. Here is a list of outstanding bills: https://www.vox.com/2019/11/29/20977735/how-many-bills-passed-house-democrats-trump

Here are some samples of the 400:
Health care

House Resolution 259 — Medicaid Extenders Act of 2019
H.R. 271 — Condemning the Trump Administration’s Legal Campaign to Take Away Americans’ Health Care
H.R. 986 — Protecting Americans with Preexisting Conditions Act of 2019
H.R. 987 — Strengthening Health Care and Lowering Prescription Drug Costs Act
H.R. 1520, the Purple Book Continuity Act (bill aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs)
H.R. 1503, the Orange Book Transparency Act of 2019 (bill aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs)

Civil rights

H.R. 1 — For the People Act of 2019
H.R. 5 — Equality Act
H.R. 6 — American Dream and Promise Act
H.R. 7 — Paycheck Fairness Act
H.R. 124 — Expressing opposition to banning service in the Armed Forces by openly transgender individuals

Gun control

H.R. 8 — Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019
H.R. 1112 — Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019

Environment

H.R. 9 — Climate Action Now Act
H.R. 1331 — Local Water Protection Act
S. 47 — National Resources Management Act
H.R. 2578 — National Flood Insurance Program Extension Act of 2019
H.R. 205, 1146, 1941 — Banning Offshore Drilling on Atlantic, Pacific, Eastern Gulf and ANWR Coasts

So, a candidate could, for instance, point out that the Do Nothing Senate is sitting on this stuff and mention at least 5 or six that people may want to see. There are some, however, I am not sure about. An extension of the national flood insurance to rebuild summer homes, built close to the water by the rich is one I am not real happy with.

Anyway, Just saying. It might be smarter to start campaigning against Trump instead of trying to rip off the faces of the other candidates. Given the current status, however, I somehow doubt that might happen.

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#321629 - 02/17/20 09:37 PM Re: Why not? [Re: jgw]
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It might be smarter to start campaigning against Trump instead of trying to rip off the faces of the other candidates.


The candidates are not currently running against Trump.

They are running against each other to determine who GETS to run against Trump.

Bernie isn't trying to rip the faces off anybody, he's running on a progressive agenda. Are you suggesting that the media and other Democrats stop trying to rip Bernie's face off?
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#321630 - 02/17/20 09:49 PM Re: Why not? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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It might be smarter to start campaigning against Trump instead of trying to rip off the faces of the other candidates.


The candidates are not currently running against Trump.

They are running against each other to determine who GETS to run against Trump.

Bernie isn't trying to rip the faces off anybody, he's running on a progressive agenda. Are you suggesting that the media and other Democrats stop trying to rip Bernie's face off?



Yeah, but "primary damage" is a thing.
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#321632 - 02/18/20 12:59 AM Re: Why not? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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So far there hasn't been a lot of face ripping on the candidates part.

The other candidates seem to have failed to mention that Bernie is a Socialist and will turn the United States into the the Soviet Union.

Because all of them support some, if not all, of Bernie's Policies.

Even old Mike is supporting a $15 minimum wage and paid family leave.
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#321644 - 02/18/20 07:15 PM Re: Why not? [Re: Greger]
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I don't care about the current inter-party face ripping. Just don't care. It proves little, other than just about all candidates did something in their past to qualify, if done today, to be thought of as not real good. In other words all that stuff is not unlike children in a pissing contest. Basically, a complete and utter waste of time and effort.

This is particularly true of this one. They are all vying to take on a formidable opponent and they are ignoring him. I would like them all to get over the crap and start demonstrating that they can actually go after Trump. So far there is little evidence they actually can.

As far as Bernie is concerned I have listened to his threats for Trump. I should have said pitiful threats for Trump. He has scared Trump, so much, that Trump has been encouraging his own followers to vote in the Democratic elections as Bernie supporters! This is no secret. I wonder, actually, how many Bernie voters were actually Republicans doing as they were told. Basically Trump WANTS to run against Bernie as does the rest of the Republicans - in this particular case they firmly believe its the best thing that could happen for them.

Unfortunately I tend to believe they are probably right on this one. If Bernie is able to win, thereby painting the entire Democratic party as socialists, I sincerely hope he wins, I will vote for him. I also hope I don't have to .....

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#321810 - 02/22/20 09:29 AM Re: Why not? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Greger
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It might be smarter to start campaigning against Trump instead of trying to rip off the faces of the other candidates.


The candidates are not currently running against Trump.

They are running against each other to determine who GETS to run against Trump.

Bernie isn't trying to rip the faces off anybody, he's running on a progressive agenda. Are you suggesting that the media and other Democrats stop trying to rip Bernie's face off?



Yeah, but "primary damage" is a thing.


Some of the primary damage being done to Bernie is about to come as a tsunami of well distroed heavily exaggerated in depth well paid coverage of so called "aggressive, hostile even violent and misogynistic Bernie Bros who simply MUST CLEARLY comprise the majority of Bernie's base" and it's going to come from "concerned moderate Dems" long before it comes from the GOP.

The "Bernie's Bros are making him unelectable!!" stories are so numerous they're like overgrowths of kudzu and bamboo, like infestations of Asian Carp in an inland US waterway.
Like the news coverage is BEING PAID FOR HANDSOMELY.
And yet even when faced with real people who say they like Bernie but WILL vote Blue anyway, the folks who insist Bernie people are bros REFUSE to admit it might be a bit exaggerated.
That is why I keep asking "WHERE are these BROS?"
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#321811 - 02/22/20 09:30 AM Re: Why not? [Re: jgw]
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But watch this space!!

Because the Russians are directly tuned into the DNC hand-wringing and they are about to connect that and pipeline it through the equivalent of a global shortwave signal that can be picked up everywhere with nothing more than some metal dental fillings clicked together the right way.

The Kremlin propaganda apparatii will magnify and amplify it with a billion watts of "transmitter power" so to speak.
"BERNIE BROS MAKE BERNIE UNELECTABLE!!!!" will become the new "Butter emails!!" and "LOCK HER UP!!"
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#321813 - 02/22/20 02:51 PM Re: Why not? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Clearly, Noam Chomsky's manufacturing consent with a side order of Gore Vidal's 'United States of Amnesia' would be appropriate



I'm surprised the same plays from previous elections are getting recycled again so blatantly. but I'm not sure they are going be as effective this cycle as they have in the past.

It's almost as though when commodification happens to a human undertaking, there is a certain amount of repetition and patterns developed. As american politics continue to get more and more consolidated and commodified we are watching it become like a Hollywood movie franchise with recycled tropes and story narratives.

Weren't there similar complaints of supporters of a candidate being smeared? Or there staff, like pulling keys off computer keyboards by the staff of an outgoing administration to spite the victorious new administration?

Like a Hallmark television series. It certainly feels like time has been both extended as it repeats itself politically and we've all been here before, while being compressed like not remembering what was important and all the rage in the news from three weeks ago. Disorienting times. I wonder if this is what an interregnum period of political realignments feel like? Dunno. Changed coffee brands. Getting too philosophical maybe



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#321821 - 02/22/20 06:43 PM Re: Why not? [Re: jgw]
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Well, at least the Russians are in favor of Bernie getting the nominations and, apparently, have put their efforts into making that so. Oh, they also want Trump to win the presidency and think this will help. I guess this means that not everybody is picking on him?

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#321822 - 02/22/20 06:44 PM Re: Why not? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Changed coffee brands. Getting too philosophical maybe

Gotta be careful not to overstimulate, it results in daunting walls of text that no one understands.
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