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#321708 - 02/20/20 02:57 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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You brought up a good point, JGW, of Bloomberg and others less well known politicians moving freely between both parties.

Kinda bolsters the argument that we only have one political party with two factions.

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#321710 - 02/20/20 03:20 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Heck Jeff, we all get fooled by these politicians. It’s why they’re politicians and we’re not.

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#321712 - 02/20/20 04:10 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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One thing Sanders supporters heard at the Vegas debate was 5 candidates state flatly that they will be staying in the race, effectively denying Sanders the ability to collect a majority of delegates, and wanting ‘the process’ To play out at the convention.

That means 500 unelected superdelegates throwing it to their donors candidate.

They just lost Sanders supporters in the general and handed it to Trump in the election.

And they’re fine with it, by the way. The are commodifying political loss and looking to 2024. More apps, more consultancies, more conspiracies to spin out of the garbage channels, etc, etc.

Said it before, saying it again, the Democratic Party are professional flop artists that have triangulated loss into profit by holding voters hostage.

IMO.


Edited by chunkstyle (02/20/20 04:12 AM)

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#321713 - 02/20/20 04:48 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
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5 candidates state flatly that they will be staying in the race,


We'll see if that holds true after Super Tuesday.
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#321714 - 02/20/20 06:38 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Now that we have a Republican (Bloomberg) running as a Dem


Bloomberg is a lifelong Democrat who switched parties in 2001 to run for mayor. In 2007 he switched again and became an Independent. In 2018 he became a Democrat again.

I don't doubt his bonafides as a Democrat. I just don't really trust Billionaire Democrats any more than I trust Billionaire Republicans.
Cut from the same cloth so to speak. Republican cloth. Neoliberal cloth. All woven at the same mill. Sold in both colors.





Well he certainly earned Mike the Manchurian Candidate tonight.
He is toast.
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#321715 - 02/20/20 06:39 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Chunk;
The difference between Bernie and Bloomberg is that Bernie has consistently refused to actually join the Democratic party whilst Bloomberg had no problem to do just that. The only time he was a Republican was when he ran and served as mayor of New York. At least he joins the party he wants to represent - unlike Bernie. He belongs to no party and is an independent.

I don't consider that to be right. If you don't want to be a Democrat then you shouldn't want to run as a Democrat and the Democratic party should not allow it either. It just makes no sense! Under this sort of deal we could have a full blowed Nazi, self proclaimed, run as a Democrat!

<sigh>


LOL, If Bloomberg is considered to be a Democrat, then Bernie's a Democrat, sorry.
And Tom Perez is an absolute POS.
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#321725 - 02/20/20 02:44 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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5 candidates state flatly that they will be staying in the race,


We'll see if that holds true after Super Tuesday.


Yeah, it's a pile of cash to stay in, and the donations dry up if you're not in a position to win, and most especially if you're an obvious spoiler.
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#321726 - 02/20/20 03:56 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Mebbe, dunno.

Bloomberg’s takeover gambit is very much a hostile one that you would expect from the capitalist class. He’s not only buying up all the talent but he’s telling other donors to sit it out. He’s got this. Last night was the previeW

The other candidates can read a room and, more importantly, read a convention center and, with the exception of rules ratf#cking, the rest might be seeing the second play of not winning the primary. The consolation of turning it into a payday by leveraging your delegate votes.

I think I mentioned my suspicion of the ‘brokered convention’ option months ago.

Anyone who’s bothered to read the Podesta emails can imagine this as the firewall, much the same as was attempted with Trump by republicans.

I’d put even money on them handing it to someone else in the second round. Hard to say no to big Mo.





Edited by chunkstyle (02/20/20 03:57 PM)

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#321729 - 02/20/20 05:37 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Hard to say no to big Mo.


Yeah but...Dems are going to find themselves between a rock and a hard place if they try it. They need the left to win. There was talk in 2016 about a brokered Republican convention. But they needed the racist assh*les to win. Shoe's on the other foot this time around...Dems need the socialist assh*les to win.

Being a socialist assh*le this makes me very happy. Big Mo has held the gavel far too long.

If Bernie has a plurality of delegates going into the convention he will walk out The Candidate.

The Party will do everything in its power to stop that.
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#321731 - 02/20/20 06:11 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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So are you betting no second round brokered convention, Gregor?
Just curious for the book making aspect of it.

I’m leaning that they will the more I think on it.

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