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#321626 - 02/17/20 07:35 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
The Republicans have gone to great efforts to demonize "liberal" "centrist", "moderate", etc. to be coequal with socialist and communist. So what's the difference? They freak out at the idea of a "Democrat" winning the presidency. I suspect they all know they have done some very bad and un-American things and when the power swings back to Democrats, they will have to answer for those things. The House of Cards collapses.


If they are not made to answer for those things, as the staff at Guantanamo Bay (and the politicians giving the orders) were not made to pay, as Nixon was pardoned by Ford, then it doesn't matter in the long run who wins the election.
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#321663 - 02/18/20 10:01 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: jgw]
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The whole idea of "A Nation of Laws" may just be expecting too much from the average voter. Remember, nobody teaches civics any more. Many people just have never even been exposed to the concept. It's not so much they are stupid, just ignorant. The one hope, is that judges tend to know what that means, and why we want that.

I see Trump is busy pardoning as many high-profile scoundrels as he can find. It's not even partisan: He just commuted Blago's corruption sentence, and he's an Illinois Democrat! Obviously, Trump wants to create an acceptance of letting crooks walk free so his pardon of himself remains unchallenged. His one hangup may be that to accept a pardon, you have to admit you committed the crime. If he steadfastly refuses to admit guilt, he just might run out the clock on his Presidency without resigning so Pence can pardon him.

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#321664 - 02/18/20 10:07 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
The whole idea of "A Nation of Laws" may just be expecting too much from the average voter. Remember, nobody teaches civics any more.


This is of course deliberate. The republican attacks on public education began right after Brown v Board of Education and the very first thing they attacked was civics.
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#321668 - 02/18/20 11:23 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
The Republicans have gone to great efforts to demonize "liberal" "centrist", "moderate", etc. to be coequal with socialist and communist. So what's the difference? They freak out at the idea of a "Democrat" winning the presidency. I suspect they all know they have done some very bad and un-American things and when the power swings back to Democrats, they will have to answer for those things. The House of Cards collapses.


If they are not made to answer for those things, as the staff at Guantanamo Bay (and the politicians giving the orders) were not made to pay, as Nixon was pardoned by Ford, then it doesn't matter in the long run who wins the election.


This exact same conversation happened within the GOP in 2015/2016.


1. No President is going to want to set the precedent that the President gets prosecuted for what they did while President knowing the other team will almost certainly then do it to them.

2. Incoming Presidential administrations like expanded executive power. Regardless of party, therefore, they won't want it's abuses curbed because they wish to double-down on and possibly expand those abuses.
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#321709 - 02/20/20 03:03 AM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: jgw]
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Democrats won't want to elect a dictator, and still believe in checks and balances. So I doubt the new Democrat in the office will try anything remotely like Trump. And even if the new President pardoned Trump, he still faces New York state charges for tax and bank fraud, money laundering, charitable foundation fraud, etc. All of his protection goes away as soon as the next guy is in office. The next President won't have anything to do with Trump's prosecution. It will be up to the US AG and the New York state AG.

That's why I think Trump will flee sometime between November and January.

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#321732 - 02/20/20 06:13 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Trump will flee


Nah. He's got away with this sh*t his whole life. He has already fled to Florida. Where there is no state income tax.

In regards to executive power, Republicans seize it while in office, but scream bloody murder if a Democrat attempts to use it. The unitary executive clause of the constitution specifies that only Republicans are entitled to it.
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#321779 - 02/21/20 10:32 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: jgw]
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But Florida is running away from him: When all those ex-felons get to vote, Florida is turning Blue. I suspect few Cubans will vote for him, either. Not to mention all the sane Black folks.

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#321782 - 02/21/20 11:37 PM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Remember the 2018 Blue Wave?

We elected another Republican governor who is an avowed trump supporter and our former TEA Party Governor defeated our incumbent Democratic Senator.

The State Democratic Party here is two part timers and four elderly volunteers.
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#321786 - 02/22/20 12:40 AM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Remember the 2018 Blue Wave?

We elected another Republican governor who is an avowed trump supporter and our former TEA Party Governor defeated our incumbent Democratic Senator.

Didn't your SecState who was also running for gov commit some shenanigans? Hmm
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#321788 - 02/22/20 01:12 AM Re: Democrating Efforts [Re: pdx rick]
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The Democratic candidate was the progressive mayor of Tallahassee.
He was under investigation for some sort of ethics violations. He was also black.

One recently appointed Republican SecState had to resign almost immediately as pictures of him in blackface surfaced.
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