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#321694 - 02/19/20 07:31 PM Re: Bro or NOT Bro? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I thought this had all been worked out here. What we have is a mix of capitalism and tax paid services such as fire departments, police departments, public schools, etc. These are never called socialism for fear of causing any number of heart attacks. So, they are just government supplied services. The difference is pretty simple. The difference between government supplied services is that socialism supplies ALL services unlike what we have.

Healthcare too is supplied, to a certain very messy extent. That needs cleaning up so that everybody gets covered which will be a huge battle no matter who gets the Democratic nod.

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#321695 - 02/19/20 08:25 PM Re: Bro or NOT Bro? [Re: logtroll]
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Democratic is a qualifier. Socialism, the noun.


And that is why I prefer to call it social democracy.

We don't need the word 'socialism' at all and democracy becomes the noun.

The "social" part derives from social justice, not social-ism.
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#321696 - 02/19/20 08:40 PM Re: Bro or NOT Bro? [Re: jgw]
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I thought this had all been worked out here. What we have is a mix of capitalism and tax paid services


Exactly. And all of those tax paid services are social services.
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#321698 - 02/19/20 10:49 PM Re: Bro or NOT Bro? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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I thought this had all been worked out here. What we have is a mix of capitalism and tax paid services

Exactly. And all of those tax paid services are social services.

I was really just trying to open the door for someone who is an antisoc to say what the right and proper form of socialism free government is.

No takers, I reckon...
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#321699 - 02/19/20 11:05 PM Re: Bro or NOT Bro? [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
I thought this had all been worked out here. What we have is a mix of capitalism and tax paid services such as fire departments, police departments, public schools, etc. These are never called socialism for fear of causing any number of heart attacks. So, they are just government supplied services. The difference is pretty simple. The difference between government supplied services is that socialism supplies ALL services unlike what we have.

Healthcare too is supplied, to a certain very messy extent. That needs cleaning up so that everybody gets covered which will be a huge battle no matter who gets the Democratic nod.


Why do we keep going back to the one-size-fits-all descriptors?
Volkswagen makes the VW Beetle AND the Bugatti Veyron/
Are they both the same? Are they both easily confused for each other?

Socialism takes many forms, so believe it or not there are countries that practice capitalism and yet they are social democracies, and in point of fact there are many more of those than there are Venezuelas and Cubas.

So stop giving yourselves heart attacks because your doctor is not going to become a government employee and your hospital will not be owned by the government either.
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#321700 - 02/19/20 11:25 PM Re: Bro or NOT Bro? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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By the way, pretending that healthcare industry DOES get nationalized, just for the sake of discussion...when the state governments built up the public school systems, were private schools outlawed?
If the FEDERAL government had built the public schools, would they have outlawed private schools?

In any case, do private schools manage to make it even though they are competing with public schools?

What I'm getting at is, why would it be advantageous to take ANY approach that OUTLAWS private sector healthcare? If the wealthy wish to pay, how would that hurt the public system?
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#321702 - 02/20/20 01:29 AM Re: Bro or NOT Bro? [Re: Greger]
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Nope - they are tax paid services. You are determined to using the word SOCIALISM! Social is fine, the ISM is BAD! This entire thing verges on silly. Socialism is a nasty word for a nasty thing. That is simply how a lot of people see it. Why are you determined to lose a lot of voters just to make a point?

Just wondering...............

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#321734 - 02/20/20 07:26 PM Re: Bro or NOT Bro? [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Nope - they are tax paid services. You are determined to using the word SOCIALISM! Social is fine, the ISM is BAD! This entire thing verges on silly. Socialism is a nasty word for a nasty thing. That is simply how a lot of people see it. Why are you determined to lose a lot of voters just to make a point?

Just wondering...............


I didn't use the word socialism. Here is my post, exactly as it appears above...
Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
I thought this had all been worked out here. What we have is a mix of capitalism and tax paid services


Exactly. And all of those tax paid services are social services.


You see my friend, it is YOU who uses the word "socialism" not me. It is YOU who is obsessed with the word, not me.
Does Bernie ever even utter the word?

Nope. He stresses tax paid services for the social good.
Wanna see...?

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