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#321795 - 02/22/20 03:13 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: CPWILL]
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One of the most important things we need to be doing to adapt to large scale crises is to get rid of the Christians.


I've always found it interesting how the Left can, broadly speaking, identify as though with a Stateside-focused Hubble Telescope, the smallest iota of anti-Islamist, anti-Hispanic, or anti-African American sentiment, and yet somehow doesn't see the contradiction in blithely passing the same kind of bigotry along when it happens to be focused on groups that it deems "Other".


Personally, I can't stand any religions. They are poison, pretty much without exception.


Sure - now imagine the likely response if any notable conservative or republican were to get in front of a crowd or television camera and lead off with:

"Now, the first thing we need to do if we want to solve [Problem X] is get rid of all the Muslims..."

Should we also imagine if any notable liberal or Democrat were to do the same thing about Christians?
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#321796 - 02/22/20 03:40 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: CPWILL]
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Exactly! If Muslims were attempting to make Sharia law the law of the land then we would indeed get rid of them! But that aint the case, pardner, it's Christians trying to make the Bible the law of the land.

As far as I'm concerned they are both middle eastern tribal religions and are not a part of our government. Religious zealotry hasn't got a place in the modern world. Especially not suicidal self destructive zealotry that yearns for the end of times. If you aint one of them, then we cool. Worship however and whoever you want, just don't be trying to get your hands on the nuclear arsenal, okay?

I'm a bit of an amateur religionist myself, a pagan, the sub-ethereal beings you think of as angels and demons are to me simply local and regional gods doing what they do on a daily basis. I'm not entirely sure that they do anything at all, contact between this and the other side of the veil is spotty and unreliable as yet but I expect someday soon technology will find a way to contact the "other side". We should then be able to plan our deaths just as we would a vacation.

As long as Christians don't turn the Earth into a lifeless stinking swamp.
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#321803 - 02/22/20 05:52 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: CPWILL]
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Sure - now imagine the likely response if any notable conservative or republican were to get in front of a crowd or television camera and lead off with:

"Now, the first thing we need to do if we want to solve [Problem X] is get rid of all the Muslims..."


Isn't that essentially what Trump does at all of his campaign rallies? He doesn't come right out with Death Camps, but he does promise no more of these terrorists will get in. He's the one painting with a mile-wide brush. Rejecting Syrian refugees (who were trying to escape ISIS) lumped in with ISIS. Kurds are Muslims too, although they have been the most pro-US ally in the region.

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#321808 - 02/22/20 08:51 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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If Trump loses, I wonder if we will see any mega-churches holding a mass KoolAid party, Jonestown-style for true believers who want to see their own personal end times? Are Trump followers any less dedicated than those who followed Jim Jones?


It will only go one of two ways, Jim Jones or David Koresh.
The rest are having wet dreams of shooting people who made Trump lose.
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#321809 - 02/22/20 09:04 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: jgw]
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a very long time ago I used to know a guy who, I was told, was the head warlock west of the Mississippi. He was a nice guy. We spent a lot of time sitting on logs, around fires, visiting with one another. it was pretty interesting. He also had a small group that accompanied him. I think one of the things he explained was that gods need people to worship or they lose their powers. The trick is to know which one has the most power by understanding how many believers he/she/it had.

That made sense then and it makes sense now. The question as to "do you believe in God" is a silly one. It is one of those things that makes no difference. there are things that are. They exist in spite of belief, no belief, whatever. This makes little difference to either side, except personally. These are things that are personal and things personal are exactly that, no more, no less. Things personal, like religion, politics, sexual preferences and all personal things. These are thing I was taught were none of my business. I continue to believe that is the right way to go.

I, basically eschew those things in other people unless I know them well. That has served me for a very long time and I recommend it to anybody who gives a s***. When somebody decides they are going to tell me about such, and I don't know them, I tell them to stop, if they continue I just walk away. Such things are not worth arguing about. They are PERSONAL!

Again personal means PERSONAL!

I just looked this over and wonder, where in the hell did I get this stuff? What set me off?
Sometimes................... <sigh>


Bullshyte, it was frigeen brill, and I am saving it so I can embroider it and put it over my fireplace.
I thank you sir.

Oh...I'm also gonna drop it on my extremely religious brother's head like a sixteen pound maul next time he yells at me for being such a far out leftist extremist followed by a heapin-helpin of why I am also going to Hell for not being a Jew for Jeh-hey-zus like he is.

Someone very close to us, also very religious, is married to a retired Air Force fighter jock who eighteen years ago revealed to the rest of our religious fam that he is a "Gray Witch".
Karen and I finally learned what a Gray Witch is when we went to Missouri to visit.

He has TWO thermostats and two heaters, a good thing up thar ah guess.
Both were set toasty warm for the twenty degree nights we slept there.
Both nights, suddenly the thermo on our side (guest bedroom) got switched off and we awoke shivering madly. It was now about 41 degrees but the other side of the house was still toasty.

Ergo a Gray Witch is a retired air force fighter pilot who acts like a little bitch, gets miffed, and sends passive aggressive signals that he hates the house guests and wants them to leave by freezing them.
All while wearing his cute lil quasi cowboy Medicine Man Faux Native American hat with his little thin pony tail of gray fuzz hanging behind his collar.
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#321886 - 02/24/20 03:52 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: logtroll]
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Sure - now imagine the likely response if any notable conservative or republican were to get in front of a crowd or television camera and lead off with:

"Now, the first thing we need to do if we want to solve [Problem X] is get rid of all the Muslims..."

Should we also imagine if any notable liberal or Democrat were to do the same thing about Christians? [/quote]

I suspect we would see a bit of head-wagging, and we would also see much of the response we saw here in this thread.
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#321888 - 02/24/20 05:16 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: CPWILL]
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Do you have a notable lefty who you think would do that? Fantasy based arguments are really not arguments at all.
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#321892 - 02/24/20 02:43 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL


I suspect we would see a bit of head-wagging, and we would also see much of the response we saw here in this thread.


Maybe.

But right now, you have Christian demagogues right here in the USA screeching for the execution of anyone who isn't exactly like them.

I haven't seen many people on the right complaining about them, but boy do they get hot under the collar when someone on the left comments on those whackjobs.

So you will understand that I don't give a flying [censored] if Christians feel like they're being persecuted just because they're [censored] with everyone else.
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#321895 - 02/24/20 02:54 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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But right now, you have Christian demagogues right here in the USA screeching for the execution of anyone who isn't exactly like them.

I admit that I am not publicly vocal about my attitude toward Christianity for fear of repercussions from them that have been commanded to not judge.
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#321898 - 02/24/20 06:31 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: logtroll]
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I am publicly vocal because I really don't give a rat's ass about the feelings of Christians. They should be persecuted as they have persecuted millions of others down through the millenia.

Religious zealots with an "end of times" fetish are running the country and trying to destroy the entire world and all life on it to make their religious prophecies come true.

We are already judged who are not among them...we will spend an eternity in the lake of fire because we did not kowtow to their ridiculous imaginings cobbled together from ancient writings and modern politics.

The Bible says "Suffer the little children to come to me."

Modern Christians say..."when the little children come to me MAKE THEM SUFFER!

Hungry children should not be fed. It makes them dependent. Refugee children must be torn from their parents and locked in cages to prevent more from coming! Medicine should be withheld from children if their parents can't afford it. Education should be unaffordable so they are forever indebted to a Christian society which enslaves them.

And every Sunday they gather in their Mega Churches and tell themselves how righteous they are and how much God loves them for their cruelty. For their God is a vengeful God, a God of hatred wrath and destruction. A god who loves the wealthy and scorns the poor.

Spare me your butthurt political correctness CP and look at the truth of the Christian church as others see it. Many others.

Fortunately in this age of science and enlightenment, the power of the church is waning, bleeding members and attracting fewer new ones every year...Much like the Republican Party to which the church is linked.

I've got no use for Muslims either. Nor Jews. That little postage stamp size piece of desert we call the Middle East produced them all and zealots of all stripes have embraced them down through the ages for nothing more than to control the thoughts and actions of the common man.
In the Marxian sense...to exploit the workers and enrich the wealthy further.



So yes, we need to vote out the zealots who think some dead guy from 2000 years ago is going to come back(soon) and show the world that they and they alone are the chosen of God who will eternally be blessed with wealth beyond all imagining while the rest of us burn in Hell.

Jesus is coming. Spit or swallow?
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