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#321871 - 02/23/20 07:51 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Greger


You aren't going to find the word socialism anywhere because Bernie is not a socialist nor are his policies or proposals.



It took me a long long lo-o-o-o-ong time to figure out that Bernie loves to mock the bougies by grinning and saying he's a Democratic Socialist.

He really does need to hire some very skilled satirists to craft some elegant snark that can torpedo Trump's U-boat attacks.

Surprise!! Trump IS the bourgeoisie! ROTFMOL
Don't dehumanize Trump, take pity on him!

The bougies have now begun to lay depth charges under their own economics and it's about to explode in their faces.

And as another Ranter recently hinted at..eventually Trump will only be able to claim full employment if "homeless beggar" is classified as a job, like in India!
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#321875 - 02/23/20 05:47 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Bernie seems to stand on both sides of being a socialist. https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/14-things-bernie-sanders-has-said-about-socialism-120265 Its a bit odd. Sometimes he is, sometimes he is not. The upshoot is that he has been labled a socialist and it has stuck. The republicans are overjoyed at his running for the Dems and I suspect they will roll over him and spit him out. If he gets the nomination I will vote for him and expend a LOT of hope but, at least right now, think he will not only lose the election but will also lose the senate AND the house due, basically, to his constant claim of democratic socialism.

I also find it really interesting that the Democrats have actually allowed him to run as a socialist, thereby painting the entire party as socialist whilst refusing to actually joint the Democratic party. that one confuses bigtime. When you add in his failures as a senator (towards the bottom on ALL things), inability to vote or attend over 60% of the time, etc. and then adding in the simple fact that Bernie has not been called on ANY of this stuff completely confuses me.

I have said it before and will continue to say it. The Democrats have not demonstrated, in any meaningful way, that they actually plan to win the election on any level I can see. Instead the candidates have done all they can to wreck one another (except for Bernie) and are close to being broke. One can only wonder?

Just saying..........

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#321876 - 02/23/20 06:37 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: jgw]
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Quote:
The Democrats have not demonstrated, in any meaningful way, that they actually plan to win the election on any level I can see.


Here's a novel thought...Democrats should run on the issues. Like Bernie. It doesn't matter what you call yourself or what your enemies call you, if you align your platform with the most important issues facing voters today you might find yourself leading in the primaries and predicted to become the Democratic nominee and the next President. Other candidates have attacked Trump relentlessly...where are they now?

JGW, I think the biggest take away from your linked article is this...

Quote:
“To me, socialism doesn’t mean state ownership of everything, by any means, it means creating a nation, and a world, in which all human beings have a decent standard of living.”


Are there quotes in the article that you find to be disqualifying?
Quotes which imply that he is indeed the the communist agitator you imagine him to be?
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#321883 - 02/23/20 09:50 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Bernie seems to be ahead in the WA State Dem Primary on 03/10 +5 over Joe in second place, then Warren. smile
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#321896 - 02/24/20 03:48 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Game over.....

The golden sphere oracle has spoken. He is the one.



A good speech though. Rousing, IMO

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#321905 - 02/24/20 07:54 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Bernie seems to stand on both sides of being a socialist. Sometimes he is, sometimes he is not.


A purity test for socialism? ROTFMOL
Oh my God, what's next, the "No True Socialist" trope?
Socialism includes taxpayer funded services, yes?
But folks are now insisting that federal highways, public schools, libraries, municipal utilities, the Post Office, fire departments and police are not a form of quasi-socialist applications of goods and services.

Each and every one of the above has and does exist in privately owned form, even right here in the United States.
I don't even need to list the examples because almost everyone here (I think) has at least some exposure to privatized versions.
Been on a toll road lately?

And now Bernie is being accused of "not being a pure enough socialist?" Why?
FDR was a socialist and so was Ike Eisenhower, because he expanded many parts of FDR's plans. So was Kennedy, Johnson, even Nixon.
My God man, Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency!

OMG TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!!



Brother John Birch is still scaring ordinary hardworking patriotic Americans almost 65 years later...over the definition of a word.

Socialism is SOCIAL and, yes Virginia, it takes many forms and is influenced by many different kinds of people. An authoritarian can use it for evil while a liberal can use it to ensure the general welfare of society.

We are witnessing firsthand what happens when a deranged authoritarian cult leader harnesses what he claims is conservatism.

Please let go of the paranoia and the purity tests, they simply aren't necessary and to be frank, we need to concern ourselves a lot more with whether or not Mr. Sanders will be able to put together a team of competent and capable people who will understand how he wants to apply his platform as a force for doing good and removing harm.
We will need it in the coming years more than ever, to heal the damage being done right now.
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#321907 - 02/24/20 08:08 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
I wonder if anybody has taken a look at Bernie's work in the United States Senate. He has run up quite a record of doing nothing pretty much outstripping just about anybody else. He is, if nothing else, a virtual expert in legislative failure. This being the case why in the world would anybody believe a single one of his promises when he has consistently failed for years.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2019

Basically Ami Klobuchar beats his pants off!

The Amendment King gets things done the best way an independent can, and by the way, I would argue that Amy Klobuchar would find a lot of ways to be very happy serving in a Sanders administration, specifically because she demonstrates excellent legislative capabilities.

One thing is guaranteed, and you can take this to any betting operation you like:
If a moderate Democrat comes to the White House and attempts to "reach across the aisle" to the pack of angry honey badgers in the GOP Congress, they will pull back a bloody stump and they will be crushed.

Frankly, I am much more concerned about stomping out the Mitch McConnell Trump-GOP Senate majority and its House exponent so completely that it triggers a post November GOP circular firing squad and puts Trumpian authoritarianism to sleep for the rest of the century.

If we can achieve that, and an Amy Klobuchar is in the White House, I will not view it as the end of the world because it denied Sanders his POTUS tenure. But even if Sanders wins and we shatter the Trumpian juggernaut in both chambers, he will still have to temper his platform to be acceptable to the wide range of Democrats who will be serving under him.


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#321913 - 02/24/20 08:59 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Quote:
“To me, socialism doesn’t mean state ownership of everything, by any means, it means creating a nation, and a world, in which all human beings have a decent standard of living.”



Oh, the BASTARD.



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#321914 - 02/24/20 09:01 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Bernie seems to stand on both sides of being a socialist.


Good. The last thing we need is another damn extremist.
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#321923 - 02/25/20 12:37 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Media is going crazy over Bernie's 60 Minutes interview last night.

(I've linked the interview above.)

There is no way any sane or rational person can object to the interview. gobsmacked

Am I wrong? Hmm
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