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#322015 - 02/26/20 10:30 PM Bloomberg Philanthropies
jgw Offline
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After the so called debate last night the talking heads were talking. They had a whole discussion about Bloomberg and the simple fact that he never bothered to brag on his ongoing efforts to help the black community. Apparently he has spent literally billions on this one alone. So I thought I would take a look and then pass it on. I know, he is rich and, for some, that is bad. On the other hand ............

https://www.bloomberg.org/
https://annualreport.bloomberg.org/
https://data.bloomberglp.com/dotorg/sites/2/2020/02/About-Bloomberg-Philanthropies-February-2020.pdf

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#322323 - 03/01/20 11:07 PM Re: Bloomberg Philanthropies [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
After the so called debate last night the talking heads were talking. They had a whole discussion about Bloomberg and the simple fact that he never bothered to brag on his ongoing efforts to help the black community. Apparently he has spent literally billions on this one alone. So I thought I would take a look and then pass it on. I know, he is rich and, for some, that is bad. On the other hand ............

https://www.bloomberg.org/
https://annualreport.bloomberg.org/
https://data.bloomberglp.com/dotorg/sites/2/2020/02/About-Bloomberg-Philanthropies-February-2020.pdf


My issue is with his methodology. If he wins the White House, no one except a multi-billionaire will EVER have a chance to run ever again.

My issue is with the fact that he's been a keynote speaker at CPAC.

My issue is with the fact that he is a Republican running as a Democrat, but meanwhile all the rage is about Bernie "not being a Democrat".
We are already "post-Bloomberg" so Bernie "not a Democrat" is nonsense because he is at least as much of a Democrat as Michael Bloomberg.
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#322349 - 03/02/20 04:02 PM Re: Bloomberg Philanthropies [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas

My issue is with the fact that he's been a keynote speaker at CPAC.



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#322360 - 03/02/20 08:08 PM Re: Bloomberg Philanthropies [Re: jgw]
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Let me see. Bloomberg was a Democrat who switched to Republican to run for Mayor of New York. He is no longer mayor of New York so he switched back to being a Democrat. The problem seems to be that he switched once, then wants to switch again and that is not allowed?

Now there is not give an inch Bernie. He has NEVER been anything but a self proclaimed socialist, american socialist, democratic socialist which are, in the end, exactly the same thing so, in this case the words actually mean little. Anyway, he is not a Democrat because he has refused to join the Democratic party. I fault the Democrats for even allowing him to run under their banner. That was wrong, on their part which, I think, is now coming home to roost as Bernie and friends are determined to turn the Democratic party into the Democratic Socialist Party. If he wins that is exactly how they will be painted for all time and they will be losers for all time. I know, 'socialist' doesn't mean anything so that is just dandy with them. Again, I fault the Democrats for the entire mess, not Bernie. All Bernie has done is recognize the inability of the Dems to take care of their own party and, again, allowed all of this in the first place. Bernie is just taking advantage of the Democratic party being unable to figure out just who the hell they are?

The horror of Bloomberg actually speaking at CPAC is a little like Buttagech (whatever) appearing on Fox news. A TERRIBLE thing! It is good, however, to know that people are still able to agree/disagree with what certain candidates are allowed to do. The inferences in this stuff is a little like women using the men's bathroom - SIN!

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#322374 - 03/03/20 02:37 AM Re: Bloomberg Philanthropies [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Let me see. Bloomberg was a Democrat who switched to Republican to run for Mayor of New York. He is no longer mayor of New York so he switched back to being a Democrat. The problem seems to be that he switched once, then wants to switch again and that is not allowed?


Well, let's see...is it allowed? Show me where in the DNC rules that they are required to give harbor to someone who switches parties on a whim.

Originally Posted By: jgw

Now there is not give an inch Bernie. He has NEVER been anything but a self proclaimed socialist, american socialist, democratic socialist which are, in the end, exactly the same thing


Nope, they're not the same thing.
That's like saying a person is a musician, a "self-described musician".
What KIND of music? You don't seem to care, because from where you sit, all music is exactly the same...Liberace is the same as The Sex Pistols.
You didn't DESCRIBE Bernie's form of socialism because you either can't, or won't.
Sorry but that is not going to fly, here or anywhere, not if honest debate is the goal. There is no one size fits all definition of socialism because it is as different and varied as the countries it is found in, including this country.

Originally Posted By: jgw
... so, in this case the words actually mean little. Anyway, he is not a Democrat because he has refused to join the Democratic party.


If the Berg is allowed to flit around and join and leave and then rejoin at will, then the Bern is allowed to campaign under the Democratic party banner. The Berg is the one who has rendered the entire thing null and void.

Originally Posted By: jgw

I fault the Democrats for even allowing him to run under their banner. That was wrong, on their part which, I think, is now coming home to roost as Bernie and friends are determined to turn the Democratic party into the Democratic Socialist Party. If he wins that is exactly how they will be painted for all time and they will be losers for all time. I know, 'socialist' doesn't mean anything so that is just dandy with them. Again, I fault the Democrats for the entire mess, not Bernie. All Bernie has done is recognize the inability of the Dems to take care of their own party and, again, allowed all of this in the first place. Bernie is just taking advantage of the Democratic party being unable to figure out just who the hell they are?

The horror of Bloomberg actually speaking at CPAC is a little like Buttagech (whatever) appearing on Fox news.


No, the Berg speaking at CPAC is Berg speaking at CPAC.
Fox News is a media outlet, CPAC is a convention where conservative leaders burnish their credentials. There is no CPAC channel on television, you have to pay for a ticket to attend and you have to be accepted BY CPAC to be allowed to speak there, because unlike Fox News, CPAC would never allow a Bern (or even Mitt Romney!) to speak there at all and even Liberty University gave the Bern a chance to speak earlier this year.



You might as well just call Bernie a communist.
But don't forget, Republicans were calling Obama a socialist.

OBAMA.

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#322376 - 03/03/20 03:02 AM Re: Bloomberg Philanthropies [Re: jgw]
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Conservative reactionary republicans called FDR a communist, also.
One can only guess what side you would have been on then, JGW.
Kidding, I don’t wonder at all.

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#322379 - 03/03/20 03:31 AM Re: Bloomberg Philanthropies [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
You didn't DESCRIBE Bernie's form of socialism because you either can't, or won't.
Sorry but that is not going to fly, here or anywhere, not if honest debate is the goal. There is no one size fits all definition of socialism because it is as different and varied as the countries it is found in, including this country.

I have adopted a strategy of specifying “Scandinavian socialism” as opposed to “Venezuelan socialism” when discussing it with disingenuous antiso’s.
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#322385 - 03/03/20 04:16 AM Re: Bloomberg Philanthropies [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
You didn't DESCRIBE Bernie's form of socialism because you either can't, or won't.
Sorry but that is not going to fly, here or anywhere, not if honest debate is the goal. There is no one size fits all definition of socialism because it is as different and varied as the countries it is found in, including this country.

I have adopted a strategy of specifying “Scandinavian socialism” as opposed to “Venezuelan socialism” when discussing it with disingenuous antiso’s.


All I'm saying is that there isn't one kind of wine, music, literature, art... or socialism.

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#322408 - 03/03/20 08:54 PM Re: Bloomberg Philanthropies [Re: jgw]
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You know how your parents used to call every refrigerator a Frigidaire, or every gaming console a Nintendo?
That's how Republicans use the word "socialist" to describe everything to the left of "hunting the homeless for sport."
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