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#322019 - 02/27/20 12:44 AM Re: Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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By the way, even if one or both of these work, the effort to get ahead of the virus spread is going to cause major economic disruption. The latest market loss are nowhere near finished.

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#322055 - 02/27/20 07:04 AM Re: Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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What kills coronavirus: Answers about sanitizers, masks, medication
(Mercury News). Same basic rules as flu. Also from the Mercury News 7 things you can do now to prepare for a coronavirus outbreak. Stock up on whiskey. Tip #8.
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#322064 - 02/27/20 12:53 PM Re: Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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#322066 - 02/27/20 01:27 PM Re: Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Moderna’s vaccine against COVID-19 was developed in record time because it’s based on a relatively new genetic method that does not require growing huge amounts of virus. Instead, the vaccine is packed with mRNA, the genetic material that comes from DNA and makes proteins.


What could possibly go wrong?





Dame Emma Thompson - Comedic actress.


Sneaky, had to wait till the end...

With human trials at least we'll know the end is coming... eek2


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#322103 - 02/27/20 09:18 PM Re: Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century? [Re: jgw]
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This entire thing seems very strange.
You can catch it from somebody with no symptoms.
We don't have a way to test for it but then we do, then maybe we do
The death rate seems to be 3% but, according to others that may be true
Nobody has ever explain just, exactly, what it does. I think it has something to do with the lungs - not sure.
We have a cure, we don't have a cure, we have one but its not tested, we have one that is brand new technology.
We will have a test ready - sometime.......
We have invented a cure but not sure it works.

This stuff goes on and on. There are a LOT of maybe, perhaps, pretty soon, new tech, kills but not really, kills a lot, kills, but not a lot. It just goes on and on and on. My suspicion is that it will all level off once we are actually dealing with it. I watched one guy, yesterday, I think. Who was supposed to be an expert. He said; "we have no tests", "we do have tests but they need to be tested", "we are trying to import test pacs", it will be a couple of months to test the test pacs before we really start making test pacs.

When you add it all up I am no longer convinced that anybody really knows what the hell is going on. its kinda like a terrible thing that is coming and we need to be prepared for it but we just don't know what it is. This sounds a bit like folks talking about them pesky aliens that come and go?

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#322115 - 02/28/20 02:40 AM Re: Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Worst thing I read today: I guess the CDC boys who know all about deadly viruses and plastic suits have told the Trump administration to go screw themselves after the State Department overruled them and flew infected people and uninfected people back from Japan in the same plane. HHS sent workers to handle the infected people with no training and no protective equipment. Sounds like this was setup by a Trump appointee!

So, the worst spreaders of Covid in the US will probably be Health and Human Services government employees! Hopefully, some of them have made it back to DC to report to Trump...

This is what happens when you have a government that fires all the experts, retaliates against people who point out problems, and tries to construct an "alternate reality". Actual reality has a nasty habit of sneaking around back and biting them on the ass.

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#322116 - 02/28/20 03:26 AM Re: Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Actual reality has a nasty habit of sneaking around back and biting them on the ass.


Except the one person whose ass needs bitten the worst somehow escapes unscathed every. single. time.
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#322122 - 02/28/20 04:27 AM Re: Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century? [Re: jgw]
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I haven't been around my local Trump supporters in a week but this is my prediction .... they will conclude it is a liberal hoax ergo there is nothing to worry about ... the stock market is fine ... nobody has died ... and they continue to love their cult leader
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#322131 - 02/28/20 12:43 PM Re: Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century? [Re: rporter314]
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Here's the plan - Mike Pence is in charge...

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"It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear," Trump said at the White House Thursday as the virus marched across Asia and Europe after US officials said the US should brace for severe disruption to everyday life.

The President also warned that things could "get worse before it gets better," but he added it could "maybe go away. We'll see what happens. Nobody really knows."
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#322136 - 02/28/20 01:58 PM Re: Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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There are two reasons to be legitimately concerned about the COVID-19 (COrona VIrus Disease 2019) virus: its mortality rate and its incubation period. You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus (Atlantic). Because it is novel, the actual mortality rate is presently unknown (although in the vicinity of 2% - in contrast to influenza, which is typically 0.1-.2% ). The tests for determining exposure are not particularly robust or widespread, which is a worldwide problem. That is why the case in California was so alarming. That patient was undiagnosed for a week after exhibiting severe symptoms.

Influenza typically hits between 9 and 14 million Americans annually (3-4% of the population), and 12-56,000 Americans die from it annually. And that is with a robust and relatively effective inoculation program. It has an incubation period of 1-4 days. More than 80 percent of infections result in mild to no symptoms, which is why it spreads so widely.

The coronavirus incubation period appears to be between 14-22 days. So, COVID-19 is 10-20 times more virulent than influenza, and has 3-20 times the incubation period. To put that in perspective given the spread rate of influenza in the population,
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within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, [Harvard epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch] clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care. (Overall, about 14 percent of people with influenza have no symptoms.)

All of this is to explain why this pandemic is so alarming to epidemiologists. When you map it out, it is, conservatively, perhaps 10 times as deadly as influenza, and can be 10-15 times more widespread. And, there is no vaccine (nor likely to be one this year). Extrapolating it out, that would be (again, conservatively), 132 million American infections, and 2.64 million deaths. That is a sobering picture.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
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Outbreaks of novel virus infections among people are always of public health concern. The risk from these outbreaks depends on characteristics of the virus, including how well it spreads between people, the severity of resulting illness, and the medical or other measures available to control the impact of the virus (for example, vaccine or treatment medications). The fact that this disease has caused illness, including illness resulting in death, and sustained person-to-person spread is concerning. These factors meet two of the criteria of a pandemic. As community spread is detected in more and more countries, the world moves closer toward meeting the third criteria, worldwide spread of the new virus.

The potential public health threat posed by COVID-19 is high, both globally and to the United States.

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