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#322033 - 02/27/20 03:01 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
There are some real Christians who believe this:
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I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

Anybody who doesn't believe Jesus' instructions on who goes to heaven and who goes to hell is not really a Christian. So it's not Christians you have problems with. It's actually Pharisees. In modern terms, people who talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

I guess I'm an anti-Pharisee: Not a Christian but I believe what Jesus supposedly said. I think there is no afterlife but I think it applies to the heaven or hell we make on Earth in this lifetime.


....If you believe what Jesus said, and Jesus said there was an afterlife... it sort of seems to follow...
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#322035 - 02/27/20 03:08 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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I suspect we would see a bit of head-wagging, and we would also see much of the response we saw here in this thread.


Maybe.

But right now, you have Christian demagogues right here in the USA screeching for the execution of anyone who isn't exactly like them.


That's an interesting claim. I'll admit, while I'm familiar with the deplatforming/career-destroying Thought Police of Modern Wokeness, I'm not familiar with any significant movement of Christian demagogues calling for the execution of anyone who isn't exactly like them.

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I haven't seen many people on the right complaining about them


(shrug) I'd happily castigate them.

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So you will understand that I don't give a flying [censored] if Christians feel like they're being persecuted just because they're [censored] with everyone else.


The Open Square that is available to all and Enlightenment Liberal ideals of tolerance in areas of disagreement over fundamental questions such as religion and politics is pretty vital, and, frankly, yeah, when you try to run over people on it, they react.

A small anecdote - my Church in North Carolina had... about two Trump fans, out of a congregation of about 140. And, after Memories Pizza, a lot of folks looked at themselves and thought "that could have been me", and voted for him anyway, perceiving that he was the only option to active hostility and a party that wished to punish them for their beliefs and push them from the public square. I think I and my wife may have been the only folks in the church that didn't vote for him, though all but those original two would have held their nose.

Don't use the coercive power of the State to try to force your beliefs on others. If you don't like Trump, stop doing what got you Trump.


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#322037 - 02/27/20 03:46 AM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
The Open Square that is available to all and Enlightenment Liberal ideals of tolerance in areas of disagreement over fundamental questions such as religion and politics is pretty vital, and, frankly, yeah, when you try to run over people on it, they react.

Pore oppressed Christians
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#322071 - 02/27/20 03:16 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: CPWILL]
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Don't use the coercive power of the State to try to force your beliefs on others.


That's another issue I've got with Christians.
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#322083 - 02/27/20 03:52 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL


That's an interesting claim. I'll admit, while I'm familiar with the deplatforming/career-destroying Thought Police of Modern Wokeness, I'm not familiar with any significant movement of Christian demagogues calling for the execution of anyone who isn't exactly like them.


How many examples would you like?

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Don't use the coercive power of the State to try to force your beliefs on others.


Tell that to the damn dominionists.
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#322089 - 02/27/20 04:39 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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As a lifelong never-religionist, I have acquired a couple of experience-based opinions.

I have only been pressed by Christians to convert to their beliefs (which often aren't consistent). Specifically: Numerous Mormons, a few Catholics, Adventists knocking at the door, and a Mennonite (who couldn't date me). No Buddhist, Jew, Muslim, or Sufi Dervish of my acquaintance ever tried to alter my beliefs. (Curious coincidence, no one of any of those practices has ever been elected president in the U.S.)

I can't recall any but the Christians ever working to legislate their beliefs into U.S. code, either.

The cherry on the Cake of Hypocrisy is that, to an objective outsider such as myself, the teachings of Jesus, arguably the King of Christianity (not so much the Jews, it seems) was a card-carrying Socialist - the philosophical, political, and economic disaster-in-waiting that is so reviled by a preponderance of Christian American voters.

I agree with Greger (Pagan though he be), let's get rid of the Christians... rapture them so's not to disrupt their delusional psyches.
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#322104 - 02/27/20 09:26 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: logtroll]
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The CDC says there are no listed meds effective against the virus however NIH and WHO are apparently cooperating on trials of Remdesavir as a hedge against it.

Remdesavir
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#322106 - 02/27/20 09:30 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: logtroll]
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I guess we should all be mindful of the fact that Trumpians believe that COVID-19 is another plot by the Deep State to hurt Trump.
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#322107 - 02/27/20 11:02 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: logtroll]
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Deeply fundamentalist evangelicals dream of end times scenarios like a global plague that wipes out large parts of the population, who they happen to believe are "the wicked" anyway.

Suffice it to say that these funny mentalists have a huge End Times Boner right now, and this is why the current administration is acting like they want people to die.

It's because they do.
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#322108 - 02/27/20 11:55 PM Re: What should we be doing to adapt to large scale crises? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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There comes a time when the bourgeoisie need to reduce the numbers of the proletariat. The usual path is through warfare but this has become less and less popular recently.

President Trump has announced that not all Americans will be able to afford the vaccine.
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