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#322100 - 02/27/20 08:10 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I would like to know just how seriously people are taking this whole idiotic "Bernie down-ballot damage" self fulfilling prophecy.

Far as I can tell, the whole thing revolves around "we can't have nice things because dumbasses will hear 'SOCIALIST!!', then wig the f*** out and say 'fergit it I'd ruther have Trump' rather than end the horror show of fascist dictatorship" - - - because Bernie.

It's a bit like Republicans who are terrified about upsetting Dear Leader.

"OMG OMG OMG he's going to tweet again - BURN THE CONSTITUTION!!!"
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#322101 - 02/27/20 08:36 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
I would like to know just how seriously people are taking this whole idiotic "Bernie down-ballot damage" self fulfilling prophecy.

Far as I can tell, the whole thing revolves around "we can't have nice things because dumbasses will hear 'SOCIALIST!!', then wig the f*** out and say 'fergit it I'd ruther have Trump' rather than end the horror show of fascist dictatorship" - - - because Bernie.

It's a bit like Republicans who are terrified about upsetting Dear Leader.

"OMG OMG OMG he's going to tweet again - BURN THE CONSTITUTION!!!"


This is the same tired s*** we've heard from dems since Reagan's "government IS the problem" speech.

It's tiresome as hell watching them grovel to conservatives.
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#322119 - 02/28/20 03:49 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
I would like to know just how seriously people are taking this whole idiotic "Bernie down-ballot damage" self fulfilling prophecy.

Far as I can tell, the whole thing revolves around "we can't have nice things because dumbasses will hear 'SOCIALIST!!', then wig the f*** out and say 'fergit it I'd ruther have Trump' rather than end the horror show of fascist dictatorship" - - - because Bernie.

It's a bit like Republicans who are terrified about upsetting Dear Leader.

"OMG OMG OMG he's going to tweet again - BURN THE CONSTITUTION!!!"


This is the same tired s*** we've heard from dems since Reagan's "government IS the problem" speech.

It's tiresome as hell watching them grovel to conservatives.


Agreed but it is now hard baked, at least for now anyway.
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#322143 - 02/28/20 02:59 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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We are now seeing ‘unelectability 2.0’.
Can’t say he’s unelectable after winning first three primary states.
Start saying he will make down ballot candidates unelectable.

More rationales being produced so people won’t feel they have permission to vote for him who are undecided still.

So whats been tried:

He’s not a Democrat
He’s unelectable
He’s a misogynist
Nobody likes him
He’s a Russian agent (this one ought to make the Russian meddling conspiracy supporters feel foolish but no, they bought into that one hard)
He’s a communist. No one knows what that even means but whatever.,.
He has no black or Hispanic support
Bernie Bros
Rude online supporters
Etc, etc

Now they’ve circled around to unelectability down ballot. Where all politics is local.

Democrats are trying to destroy the candidate that wants to give everyone healthcare and a pay raise.

I agree with Hudson. The Democratic Party is the servants entrance to the Republican Party now.



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#322157 - 02/28/20 06:31 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle


Democrats are trying to destroy the candidate that wants to give everyone healthcare and a pay raise.

I agree with Hudson. The Democratic Party is the servants entrance to the Republican Party now.



Of course the best response to that is...what exactly?

I'm guessing that running around attacking everyone isn't working very well, unless of course you don't mind four more years of Trump, which would likely become twenty more years of TrumpCo Family, because after all, once you've secured the dictatorship dynasty, why not hand it off to the rest of the family?

See you in 2040.
Maybe we'll all be allowed to vote for someone who isn't a Trump by then, if we're allowed to vote at all.

PS: You forgot: HEART ATTACK!!!

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#322160 - 02/28/20 06:37 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Actually I don't know of a single Democrat that doesn't want universal healthcare and all the rest. The problem is getting it done and its not easy. I remember when Obamacare was passed. The Dems had a heck of a time just getting the Dems to go along let alone the other side (none of which voted for Obamacare even though they actually wrote half of that bill).

The real test is how to get it done. I do know that the Bernie plan of "my way or the highway" can never be successful. That will simply not work unless, of course, they can get majorities in the congress and get the presidency as well. That too is not likely to happen.

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#322162 - 02/28/20 06:48 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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How is my statement a personal attack Jeff?

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#322164 - 02/28/20 06:50 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: jgw]
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The Democratic party doesn't want universal healthcare.

Can you, JGW, tell me what universal programs the democratic party has passed in the last 30-40 years?

Without means testing?

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#322170 - 02/28/20 08:09 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
The Democratic party doesn't want universal healthcare.

Can you, JGW, tell me what universal programs the democratic party has passed in the last 30-40 years?

Without means testing?


You keep referring to them as if they're some amorphous non-human entity from outer space. "The Democratic Party" is people, and apparently, largely composed of PEOPLE WHO ARE every bit as terrified as Republicans, although for vastly different reasons.

Republicans are terrified that old angry rich white Christian people are becoming irrelevant, and they're willing to burn it all down if that turns out to be the case.

Democrats (establishment Dems) are terrified that Republican messaging is stronger and angrier than theirs, that people will believe Republican messaging ABOUT THEM.

Ergo "We can't have nice things".
HINT: That started forty years ago.
We should have begun pumping Greek Fire at their ships forty years ago.


Edited by Jeffery J. Haas (02/28/20 08:11 PM)
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#322172 - 02/28/20 08:23 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I refer to them as an amorphous blob of corporate lobbyists, political campaign bundles weapons contractors, etc...

Yeah, Powell memorandum, Civil rights backlash, ‘New Democrats’ and many more have played roles in the current party structure.

Your terrified of Republican, I’m terrified of the Democratic Party.

The blob enables the rightward drift by suppressing a left alternative.

That’s were I come from. Oddly, many take it as being a Trump supporter.

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