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#322146 - 02/28/20 03:30 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl


It makes me wonder why he is running as a democrat at all, if they are that incompetent and horrible.

BUT BUT BUT MUH SOCIAL DEMOCRACIES.



I give you 2016 as evidence of incompetence and corruption.

All the deflection and excuses they made for losing aside, how much do you like having Trump your president?

Never went to Michigan.

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#322149 - 02/28/20 04:38 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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“WILLIAM OWEN, a Tennessee-based Democratic National Committee member backing an effort to use so-called superdelegates to select the party’s presidential nominee — potentially subverting the candidate with the most voter support — is a Republican donor and health care lobbyist.”

DNC SUPERDELEGATE PROMOTING BROKERED CONVENTION IS A SIGNIFICANT GOP DONOR, HEALTH CARE LOBBYIST

Well this is awkward news

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#322150 - 02/28/20 04:39 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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BUT BUT BUT DUH RUSSIANS!

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#322151 - 02/28/20 05:46 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle


All the deflection and excuses they made for losing aside, how much do you like having Trump your president?


I like it less than you do.
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#322152 - 02/28/20 05:47 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
BUT BUT BUT DUH RUSSIANS!


I am glad we have established how our conversations will go forward from this point.
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#322153 - 02/28/20 06:09 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I think it's been this way for awhile now, wouldn't you agree?

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#322156 - 02/28/20 06:30 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I think all this is about Bernie the NON Democrat? I also think that the actual Democrats have had enough and are prepared to see the far left go away. Why not? If they don't get their way they go away anyway and cannot be counted on. I am equally sure that Bernie is unlikely to get any of his plans legislated. He has been trying, for over 10 years to get something done and has failed. As president I suspect it would be exactly the same.

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#322161 - 02/28/20 06:42 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: jgw]
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I think all this is about Bernie the NON Democrat? I also think that the actual Democrats have had enough and are prepared to see the far left go away. Why not? If they don't get their way they go away anyway and cannot be counted on. I am equally sure that Bernie is unlikely to get any of his plans legislated. He has been trying, for over 10 years to get something done and has failed. As president I suspect it would be exactly the same.


I don't see Bernie as "far Left" considering that I grew up in a time when a lot of his ideas were in place. Healthcare was nonprofit...I don't think it was even legal to profit off healthcare insurance back then. Higher education at state and community college was either free or couch change, union membership was commonplace, and even a minimum wage worker could afford a roof of some kind over their head.

Far Left? Bernie would be center-Right in most EU countries, so calling him "Far Left" is nothing more than a testament as to how far to the Right we've been dragged.

So to me, all this sound and fury amounts to "We can't have nice things because people believe Far Right Republican shibboleths."
I do not accept the shibboleth of red-scare paranoia without question.

The trouble is, I am painfully aware of the fact that said shibboleth is backed by billions of dollars in structural and psychological reinforcement. I am painfully aware that I feel like I am screaming at a tornado, such is the good it will produce.
And my lungs are petered out from so much screaming.

The tornado doesn't give two sh!ts what I have to say.
"We can't have nice things."

Oh and, the "He's not a Democrat" thing, it's bullsh!t.
That's been proven to me in spades now.
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#322166 - 02/28/20 06:58 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Nicely said.
I'm arguing that republican Shibboleths have now become Democratic ones s'all.

By the way, Bloomberg just hired the Democratic party's vice-chair's of Texas and California.


Edited by chunkstyle (02/28/20 06:59 PM)

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#322167 - 02/28/20 07:05 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Interesting, apparently you think that Bernie IS A DEMOCRAT! Even Bernie has said he is not a Democrat and has refused to join that party. He has, basically, refused to join the Socialist party and the Democratic party. He is, in other words, an Independent!

This is how he has run for almost 30 years. That has not changed, nor has his cant changed. He has stuck to his guns with very little wiggle room.

What is interesting is that it seems that the Democratic party has actually decided to actually grow a pair, and actually support the political party that they actually have signed up and joined. They are, in theory, only going to support those Candidates that are actually members of their party. This, all by itself, is one of the political marvels of the age. The fact, however, is that I will believe it when I see it and I haven't seen it yet.

I am not, incidentally, a member of the Democratic party and consider myself yet another independent. In the coming presidential election I am going to vote with the Democrats because I want Trump gone and I think that is really important for the entire nation.

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