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#322168 - 02/28/20 07:07 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Nicely said.
I'm arguing that republican Shibboleths have now become Democratic ones s'all.

By the way, Bloomberg just hired the Democratic party's vice-chair's of Texas and California.


And I'm arguing that tossing ourselves like lemmings over the cliff because we don't wind up with the candidate we like best is a repeat of the self immolation of 2016. Electing more AOC's and the like and turning the establishment Dems out to pasture is how we will bring about change to the party.
Simply put, if the Dem establishment refuses to be responsive, and we have the better numbers, then we need to put those numbers to use, not run away and sulk.

I like Bernie, I want Bernie, but I will not sacrifice myself in the fire of retribution to "teach everyone a lesson" for not agreeing with me.
To me, stopping Trump is the top priority. I can live to fight another day with Trump gone.
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#322176 - 02/28/20 09:05 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
I think it's been this way for awhile now, wouldn't you agree?



You wouldn't have it any other way.
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#322177 - 02/28/20 09:07 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I think the party is beyond reforming myself. Sanders doesnít think so apparently.


The party is beyond reforming but it isn't beyond destroying and rebuilding.

There are no laws or even any moral obligation for The Party to play fair. Either Party.

The goals of The Party are not the goals of the people.

Voters have input but they do not have control.

When you started this thread I wouldn't have given Bernie a Popsicle's chance in Muspelheim of getting a single delegate.

Now it looks like he might very well be our next president.

I'm pretty excited about this and, win or lose, this is going to be an election for the history books.
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#322178 - 02/28/20 09:07 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas

I like Bernie, I want Bernie, but I will not sacrifice myself in the fire of retribution to "teach everyone a lesson" for not agreeing with me.


But that seems to be the entire strategy of a sizable portion of the left.

Demand instant perfection or throw a tantrum and demand that the population be punished.

This doesn't attract converts, it makes enemies. But you get to look really dramatic doing it.
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#322181 - 02/28/20 09:38 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas

I like Bernie, I want Bernie, but I will not sacrifice myself in the fire of retribution to "teach everyone a lesson" for not agreeing with me.


But that seems to be the entire strategy of a sizable portion of the left.

Demand instant perfection or throw a tantrum and demand that the population be punished.

This doesn't attract converts, it makes enemies. But you get to look really dramatic doing it.


You mean it "makes you look like a revolutionary"?
Yeah, I'm guessing it might even get you laid, if you have the right armbands.

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ďJenny, things got a little out of hand...it's just this war, and that lying son of a bitch Johnson!Ē



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#322193 - 02/28/20 11:07 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I went through all the polls for the Super Tuesday states, I wrote down the leader in each. Iíve been wondering if Biden has a good showing in South Carolina Saturday, if by Monday that might change some of the dynamics for Super Tuesday. As of 28 Feb, here are the leaders in the super Tuesday States and the percentage points ahead. Iím doing this because I seen Biden who was ahead in South Carolina by just 2 points over Sanders on 22 Feb has pulled out to an 18-point lead today.

Alabama Biden 21
Arkansas Bloomberg 1
California Sanders 20
Colorado Sanders 15
Maine Sanders 5
Massachusetts Sanders 5
North Carolina Biden 1
Oklahoma Bloomberg 3
Tennessee Biden 10
Texas Sanders 5
Utah Sanders 9
Vermont Sanders 38
Virginia Sanders 3

See you on 2 Mar.
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#322198 - 02/28/20 11:19 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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Originally Posted By: perotista
I went through all the polls for the Super Tuesday states, I wrote down the leader in each. Iíve been wondering if Biden has a good showing in South Carolina Saturday, if by Monday that might change some of the dynamics for Super Tuesday. As of 28 Feb, here are the leaders in the super Tuesday States and the percentage points ahead. Iím doing this because I seen Biden who was ahead in South Carolina by just 2 points over Sanders on 22 Feb has pulled out to an 18-point lead today.

Alabama Biden 21
Arkansas Bloomberg 1
California Sanders 20
Colorado Sanders 15
Maine Sanders 5
Massachusetts Sanders 5
North Carolina Biden 1
Oklahoma Bloomberg 3
Tennessee Biden 10
Texas Sanders 5
Utah Sanders 9
Vermont Sanders 38
Virginia Sanders 3

See you on 2 Mar.


Not sure if the South Carolina result will change Tuesday's outcome. The majority of people have already early voted in most of those states.


Edited by danarhea (02/28/20 11:20 PM)

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#322199 - 02/29/20 12:13 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: danarhea]
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Sanders leading in eight of thirteen states. And I expect him to outperform polls across the board if his campaign has indeed gone viral. A SOCIALISM virus if you will. Sweeping the nation like the proverbial pandemic. The Coronavirus of campaigns. The Black Death of Democrats.The entire Party painted with a big red S.

Bolshevik Bernie. Fighting for school lunch debt forgiveness and other Soviet Era government takeovers.
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#322200 - 02/29/20 12:15 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Sanders leading in eight of thirteen states. And I expect him to outperform polls across the board if his campaign has indeed gone viral. A SOCIALISM virus if you will. Sweeping the nation like the proverbial pandemic. The Coronavirus of campaigns. The Black Death of Democrats.The entire Party painted with a big red S.

Bolshevik Bernie. Fighting for school lunch debt forgiveness and other Soviet Era government takeovers.


Just hold fast and vote D all the way down ticket.
Bring Trumpism crashing down like the million tons of manure that it is.
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#322201 - 02/29/20 12:17 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
I think the party is beyond reforming myself. Sanders doesnít think so apparently.


The party is beyond reforming but it isn't beyond destroying and rebuilding.

There are no laws or even any moral obligation for The Party to play fair. Either Party.

The goals of The Party are not the goals of the people.

Voters have input but they do not have control.

When you started this thread I wouldn't have given Bernie a Popsicle's chance in Muspelheim of getting a single delegate.

Now it looks like he might very well be our next president.

I'm pretty excited about this and, win or lose, this is going to be an election for the history books.


I find it infinitely wiser to torch the Democratic Party WHILE Democrats hold majorities and the White House.
It doesn't seem to do much good when they're out of power across the board. Once they are IN power, their tenure can be threatened and since they don't want to lose again, they tend to respond.

It's similar to a pissed off mom saying,
"I brought your dumb ass into this world and I can take you back out!"

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