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#322670 - 03/09/20 07:18 PM Underclass
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There is a lot of discussion about stuff like; welfare, living wage, homeless, etc. Most of this stuff involves something that has been referred to as an underclass. Should really be "permanent underclass" and its seriously growing.

the term "homeless" tends to be the one that is used for our growing underclass. Homeless is a handy word and encompasses those with no job, no home, some with mental problems, some bums, some not bums, some criminals, some not criminals, etc. There are some cities that have dealt with the problem by separating the homeless into those with; mental problems, drug problems, just plain bad luck problems, etc. then providing services and housing whilst enforcing rules. Basically not having a home is just one of many problems.

There was a democratic candidate called Andrew Wang. He recognized there is a problem underclass. His solution was to give everybody 1000.00 This is not a bad idea and they actually tried it in Canada. It worked for some and for some it did not. There are no solutions that will work on everybody but there are some that will work on many. its important to note that there are no solutions, for instance, bums or predators.

It has been estimated that there are between .5 and 1.0 million 'homeless' and that number is increasing regularly. Its also of probable interest that public schools have more and more kids that are homeless for one reason or another.

The foregoing was my blather and attempt at explaining. The simple fact is that we have a growing, identified, underclass and its going to get a lot worse before anybody does anything about it but it is being considered by many. I am writing this in an effort to make folks aware that this is a genuine problem and really does need attention.

Thought this might encourage some solutions and see what they might be. Hopefully without a bunch of political blather.

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#322672 - 03/09/20 08:04 PM Re: Underclass [Re: jgw]
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It's the Despair Quotient!

Every human society in history, even the ones that were the most egalitarian, has had an underclass.
An underclass is like a skeleton.
Skeletons don't have neurons, they don't use ATP as a fuel, they are a framework that holds up the body.
And that is what an underclass pretty much does...the rest of society hangs its tissues and trappings on top of the bone of the underclass.

A healthy underclass, however, maintains solidity and maintains a modicum of growth, churn and turnover. Almost everyone starts out in the underclass but they pay their dues, they learn, they compete, they grow and they move up a rung, and another one takes their place and the process begins anew.

We do not HAVE a healthy underclass and we haven't for quite some time. Our underclass does not pay dues, they pay tithes to mobsters and gangsters, they learn cruelty, they learn their place and the permanency of their station, and they grow desperate.
Our underclass is stagnant and pretty much permanent.

And still the despair grows, and with it, all the by products, the drugs, the crime, the balkanization, the hopelessness, the anger.

Our underclass is now a network of favelas, hoovervilles and tent cities, wholly separate from the body politic and utterly devoid of any vision for the future.
When you're forced to make decisions based on an immediate strike at your very ability to survive almost every day, you don't think about the future.
There is no healthy churn or turnover and there is no upward mobility in our underclass.

And the bones have become weak and brittle, and infected with despair.
And meanwhile, the rest of the host body refuses to believe that this fulminating infection can take it down.
The rest of the host body is acting as if that bony framework isn't even necessary.

They act like it doesn't even count for anything.
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#322674 - 03/09/20 08:27 PM Re: Underclass [Re: jgw]
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Many cities have put spikes in the concrete and on benches where they sleep. Some have made it illegal to give them food.

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its important to note that there are no solutions, for instance, bums or predators.

Bums like Trump and predators like Epstien? The dark underbelly of society knows no class.

Economic inequality creates the underclass. Each time a new billionaire is created thousands more are tipped into the underclass. Wages are simply not sufficient to support life on the lower economic strata.
It doesn't take a crystal ball to look into the future and see that we are in deep trouble. Robots and automatons will soon be doing all the work. People mostly unnecessary except to buy what the machines make. Someone should invent a virus to reduce the numbers of the underclass, the old, the weak, the sick and the poor. Probably working on it as we speak.
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#322677 - 03/09/20 08:52 PM Re: Underclass [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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We do not HAVE a healthy underclass and we haven't for quite some time.


We have NEVER had a healthy underclass. We started out as slavers. We didn't reform. The slums are not the framework that society is built on Jeffery, they are the detritus. The excrement of capitalism. The slaves whipped to death. If you stumble, if you fall, if you make a wrong decision, capitalism will eat you alive. It has always been thus.
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#322678 - 03/09/20 08:57 PM Re: Underclass [Re: Greger]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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We do not HAVE a healthy underclass and we haven't for quite some time.


We have NEVER had a healthy underclass. We started out as slavers. We didn't reform. The slums are not the framework that society is built on Jeffery, they are the detritus. The excrement of capitalism. The slaves whipped to death. If you stumble, if you fall, if you make a wrong decision, capitalism will eat you alive. It has always been thus.



I wasn't talking about the destitute.
You're describing the destitute, I was describing the underclass. The destitute aren't even a class, they are the dying.

And if anything, instead of the upward mobility that the underclass (think Ralph Kramden, Joe Six Pack, etc) once had, they are now experiencing DOWNWARD mobility INTO the realm of the destitute.

So it winds up that you and I are really arguing semantics and I do not have any disagreement with a single thing you're saying.
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#322682 - 03/09/20 11:08 PM Re: Underclass [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
If you stumble, if you fall, if you make a wrong decision, capitalism will eat you alive. It has always been thus.

Still a lot better than goddam Socialism (some people are saying...).
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#322685 - 03/09/20 11:49 PM Re: Underclass [Re: jgw]
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Thinking out loud here.

Are humans supposed to be better than all of the other animals that surround us? Is that what makes us human? The fact that we have the possibility to not thin the herd as nature demands of itself sometimes in order to reach equilibrium with the rest of the living world.

Or should our genius and humanity--the thing that supposedly separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom-preclude that? And if so, what is the ultimate goal of all of that?

Just a wondering......
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#322686 - 03/10/20 12:27 AM Re: Underclass [Re: Ken Condon]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Thinking out loud here.

Are humans supposed to be better than all of the other animals that surround us? Is that what makes us human? The fact that we have the possibility to not thin the herd as nature demands of itself sometimes in order to reach equilibrium with the rest of the living world.

Or should our genius and humanity--the thing that supposedly separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom-preclude that? And if so, what is the ultimate goal of all of that?

Just a wondering......


I've had that argument with myself before and unfortunately I usually wind up coming to the conclusion that a thinning of the herd is actually what's coming, and that apparently it is needed.

So for my money, it's only a question of what winds up doing it and when, and to whom.
And even worse, with my papier mache immune system, a disabled wife and son, the probability that we will be among the number thinned is exceedingly high.

So I just count the blessings I've BEEN given all these years, and that's about all I can do.
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#322687 - 03/10/20 12:38 AM Re: Underclass [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Quote:
Are humans supposed to be better than all of the other animals that surround us?
The other animals all seem to be okay. Humans are the broken ones.
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#322690 - 03/10/20 02:17 AM Re: Underclass [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
CPWILL Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
It's the Despair Quotient!

Every human society in history, even the ones that were the most egalitarian, has had an underclass.
An underclass is like a skeleton.
Skeletons don't have neurons, they don't use ATP as a fuel, they are a framework that holds up the body.
And that is what an underclass pretty much does...the rest of society hangs its tissues and trappings on top of the bone of the underclass.

A healthy underclass, however, maintains solidity and maintains a modicum of growth, churn and turnover. Almost everyone starts out in the underclass but they pay their dues, they learn, they compete, they grow and they move up a rung, and another one takes their place and the process begins anew.

We do not HAVE a healthy underclass and we haven't for quite some time. Our underclass does not pay dues, they pay tithes to mobsters and gangsters, they learn cruelty, they learn their place and the permanency of their station, and they grow desperate.
Our underclass is stagnant and pretty much permanent.

And still the despair grows, and with it, all the by products, the drugs, the crime, the balkanization, the hopelessness, the anger.

Our underclass is now a network of favelas, hoovervilles and tent cities, wholly separate from the body politic and utterly devoid of any vision for the future.
When you're forced to make decisions based on an immediate strike at your very ability to survive almost every day, you don't think about the future.
There is no healthy churn or turnover and there is no upward mobility in our underclass.

And the bones have become weak and brittle, and infected with despair.
And meanwhile, the rest of the host body refuses to believe that this fulminating infection can take it down.
The rest of the host body is acting as if that bony framework isn't even necessary.

They act like it doesn't even count for anything.


Gosh. When you put it like that, it seems like maybe putting them all into a system of government dependency wasn't the best thing for them after all.
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