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#322691 - 03/10/20 02:59 AM Re: Underclass [Re: CPWILL]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL

Gosh. When you put it like that, it seems like maybe putting them all into a system of government dependency wasn't the best thing for them after all.


Now all you have to do is show us where Ralph Kramden is dependent upon government.
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#322692 - 03/10/20 04:12 AM Re: Underclass [Re: jgw]
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>system of government dependency

No, the people we are talking about here are BELOW any government systems! They get nothing from the government, other than "move along" from the police.

I think any effort toward public health re the corona virus is doomed because we won't treat everybody who needs it. How can we quarantine people who have no address to stay in? And no government system to house them, so they can be quarantined there? We are starting to discuss some sensible precautions, but they don't work unless everybody isolates and stops spreading the virus.

So our government will be forced to provide housing, medical care, and food to EVERYBODY just to stop covid-19. I think that takes central planning, not Mister Market. But we probably have to wait for a million people to die before our leaders figure that out.

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#322697 - 03/10/20 04:28 PM Re: Underclass [Re: pondering_it_all]
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No, the people we are talking about here are BELOW any government systems! They get nothing from the government, other than "move along" from the police.


I think that's who the OP was talking about, not the minimum wage workers Jeffery insists are the backbone of society.

To CPWILL I counter that it is the bourgeoisie who are most dependent on government. Who in fact, control government for their own gain and also control the proles who are dependent on them. The proletariet, even the lumpenproletariat(low income republicans), are dependent on the bourgeouisie to allow a few crumbs to fall from the government table where they feast.

Government should not be some entity that poor people are dependent on. The poor, the rich and everyone in between is a part of the government. The government is us, we the people, ourselves. And if we can't depend on ourselves then who the hell can we depend on?

We have a government that works very well for the bougies, because they have made it so with their money. It's up to the rest of us to create a government that works for us too.
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#322701 - 03/10/20 05:24 PM Re: Underclass [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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No, the people we are talking about here are BELOW any government systems! They get nothing from the government, other than "move along" from the police.


I think that's who the OP was talking about, not the minimum wage workers Jeffery insists are the backbone of society.



They are the backbone of society, and the current system is actually sucking them DOWNWARD into destitution.
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#322703 - 03/10/20 05:48 PM Re: Underclass [Re: jgw]
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What they get differs from place to place. We are told, for instance, that they are building housing for those who can't afford to rent which is costing somewhere around 50 grand a unit in Los Angeles. Seattle too is right up there. Then there is is another question - who gets what? Seattle, for instance, seems to think that being 'homeless' is it, regardless of addiction, health, mental health, etc.

This all seems to have started, in Seattle, with housing drunks as this was cheaper than taking them to the emergency room every night. I am not against this - just saying...............

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#322912 - 03/16/20 05:30 PM Re: Underclass [Re: jgw]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: jgw
What they get differs from place to place. We are told, for instance, that they are building housing for those who can't afford to rent which is costing somewhere around 50 grand a unit in Los Angeles.


Ever since you posted this, I've been searching for links and haven't come up with anything. I'm not accusing you of lying, I'm saying that my searches have yielded nothing of the kind in LA County.

I know Mayor Garcetti has begun a couple of projects but nothing about fifty thousand dollar homes. Maybe I am not searching correctly?
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#322917 - 03/16/20 06:28 PM Re: Underclass [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Greger
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No, the people we are talking about here are BELOW any government systems! They get nothing from the government, other than "move along" from the police.


I think that's who the OP was talking about, not the minimum wage workers Jeffery insists are the backbone of society.



They are the backbone of society, and the current system is actually sucking them DOWNWARD into destitution.



Badly said that....Let me rephrase...not the minimum wage workers Jeffery **correctly**insists are the backbone of society.

and yes. Sucking them downward.
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#322922 - 03/16/20 06:40 PM Re: Underclass [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Now all you have to do is show us where Ralph Kramden is dependent upon government.


Bus driver, right? Public transportation. Not just dependent on it but a part of it. Socialist stuff to be sure. It was socialism that made America Great. Let's make America Great Again!

Kramden often complained of his lack of success and often came up with capitalist get rich quick schemes that never worked out...as is typical of capitalism.
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#322923 - 03/16/20 06:46 PM Re: Underclass [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
It's the Despair Quotient!

Every human society in history, even the ones that were the most egalitarian, has had an underclass.
An underclass is like a skeleton.
Skeletons don't have neurons, they don't use ATP as a fuel, they are a framework that holds up the body.
And that is what an underclass pretty much does...the rest of society hangs its tissues and trappings on top of the bone of the underclass.

A healthy underclass, however, maintains solidity and maintains a modicum of growth, churn and turnover. Almost everyone starts out in the underclass but they pay their dues, they learn, they compete, they grow and they move up a rung, and another one takes their place and the process begins anew.

We do not HAVE a healthy underclass and we haven't for quite some time. Our underclass does not pay dues, they pay tithes to mobsters and gangsters, they learn cruelty, they learn their place and the permanency of their station, and they grow desperate.
Our underclass is stagnant and pretty much permanent.

And still the despair grows, and with it, all the by products, the drugs, the crime, the balkanization, the hopelessness, the anger.

Our underclass is now a network of favelas, hoovervilles and tent cities, wholly separate from the body politic and utterly devoid of any vision for the future.
When you're forced to make decisions based on an immediate strike at your very ability to survive almost every day, you don't think about the future.
There is no healthy churn or turnover and there is no upward mobility in our underclass.

And the bones have become weak and brittle, and infected with despair.
And meanwhile, the rest of the host body refuses to believe that this fulminating infection can take it down.
The rest of the host body is acting as if that bony framework isn't even necessary.

They act like it doesn't even count for anything.


Gosh. When you put it like that, it seems like maybe putting them all into a system of government dependency wasn't the best thing for them after all.


Capitalism is a system of government dependency.

You just saw the government light 1.5 Trillion on fire to try and save 'Duh Market'. It coulda lifted millions out of student debt misery and supported the economy from the ground up instead of the top down.


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#322924 - 03/16/20 07:04 PM Re: Underclass [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I had the same problem! However, that being said, I found:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...dos/3882484002/

Google "price of low cost housing in los angeles"

years ago there was a an Indian guy (dot) that worked for a government agency who invented a concrete with a lot of coal ash in it. The theory was that this stuff was very strong and could be sprayed onto forms and it would not cost much. If you google "coal ash concrete homes" you will find a lot of stuff on this one. The concrete is supposed to be VERY strong. There were also cities who were using this stuff to fill holes in the streets that lasted forever. Apparently coal ash, when used in concrete is safe.

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