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#322925 - 03/16/20 07:10 PM Re: Underclass [Re: chunkstyle]
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the fed is interesting. I remember, a few years ago, when there was a kindofa audit made and it seems that they tend to waste money, and give money away to friends and the wives of friends. this was during the time of the 2008 financial problems. There were, at the time, cries for a full on audit - which never really happened. That, in itself, I always considered a bit strange.

I am for an independent fed as it has worked well for us. I am also, however, for a full audit of the fed. It just seems that its really due. As far as the 1.5 trillion goes. I am not even sure the money is virtual or real on that one. I do know that whatever it was it didn't change a damned thing.

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#322933 - 03/16/20 08:24 PM Re: Underclass [Re: jgw]
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Imagine what relieving a generation from debt peonage might have done. I doubt much of the money would have wound up in a Cayman Bank. Might make it possible to buy a car or a washing machine though.

The war department has not been audited either and is in violation of federal law. That hasn't stopped them from getting more money than they've requested though from democrats in congress. I would like to see an accounting of this entity as well as the security state.

Won't hold my breath

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#322966 - 03/17/20 01:49 PM Re: Underclass [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL

Gosh. When you put it like that, it seems like maybe putting them all into a system of government dependency wasn't the best thing for them after all.


That's a really polite way of saying "[censored] them, let them starve."
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#322974 - 03/17/20 05:58 PM Re: Underclass [Re: Greger]
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Now all you have to do is show us where Ralph Kramden is dependent upon government.


Bus driver, right? Public transportation. Not just dependent on it but a part of it. Socialist stuff to be sure. It was socialism that made America Great. Let's make America Great Again!

Kramden often complained of his lack of success and often came up with capitalist get rich quick schemes that never worked out...as is typical of capitalism.


My bad.
I meant to say "where Kramden is dependent upon government assistance", like welfare. For sure, he's a local government employee though. Time to break up his public sector union, those bastards!!
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#323004 - 03/18/20 03:16 AM Re: Underclass [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: CPWILL

Gosh. When you put it like that, it seems like maybe putting them all into a system of government dependency wasn't the best thing for them after all.


That's a really polite way of saying "[censored] them, let them starve."


Reading Comprehension issues, huh?

Tsk. Darn government schools. :shakes head:


Edited by CPWILL (03/18/20 03:17 AM)
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#323005 - 03/18/20 03:21 AM Re: Underclass [Re: Greger]
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To CPWILL I counter that it is the bourgeoisie who are most dependent on government. Who in fact, control government for their own gain and also control the proles who are dependent on them. The proletariet, even the lumpenproletariat(low income republicans), are dependent on the bourgeouisie to allow a few crumbs to fall from the government table where they feast.


I think I would work with a different set of definitions. The middle class are not the most dependent on government - they simply take the most from it, while paying (relative to other developed nations) very little.


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Government should not be some entity that poor people are dependent on. The poor, the rich and everyone in between is a part of the government. The government is us, we the people, ourselves. And if we can't depend on ourselves then who the hell can we depend on?


You have just said mutually exclusive things. If the poor should not be dependent on the government, but the government is us, and the poor should be dependent on us...

A=B and B=C, but A=/=C?
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#323006 - 03/18/20 03:22 AM Re: Underclass [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: CPWILL

Gosh. When you put it like that, it seems like maybe putting them all into a system of government dependency wasn't the best thing for them after all.


Now all you have to do is show us where Ralph Kramden is dependent upon government.


HAH! I don't even know who that is! laugh


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#323088 - 03/20/20 05:20 PM Re: Underclass [Re: jgw]
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‘We should blow up the bridges’ — coronavirus leads to class warfare in Hamptons

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It began one week ago. First came the social media posts, the rich showing off their fleets of SUVs — three to a family sometimes — with fresh and canned food bought in the city, announcing they were headed to their second homes out east, where they immediately ravaged every supermarket and stripped the shelves bare.

Then they hit P.C. Richard & Son in Southampton to rush-order extra freezers to hoard all that food — 700 orders last weekend alone. When one customer was asked what size freezer she wanted, she said, “I don’t care. It just needs to be big enough that I can hide in it.”


The underclass that cooks, cleans and serves them are suffering now.
They're out of work, stuck at home, and can't even get the essentials for survival.
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#323220 - 03/22/20 08:51 PM Re: Underclass [Re: CPWILL]
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I don't even know who that is! [Ralph Kramden]


That's because most regulars here have about 40 more years of life experience than you. You should be able to find Ralph via Google.

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#323231 - 03/23/20 03:00 AM Re: Underclass [Re: CPWILL]
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If the poor should not be dependent on the government, but the government is us, and the poor should be dependent on us...

A=B and B=C, but A=/=C?


There should be no "poor".

At least not in the sense they currently exist. Food, healthcare, housing and education should be available to all. A day is coming, not so far away, when machines do most of the work and a majority of humanity is going to become redundant. A sort of a basic income will probably have to become a thing at some point. Or a better virus than this one...unless it's designed to mutate and come back like Death's scythe.

One way or another we want to try to eliminate the (very)poor altogether.
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