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#323136 - 03/21/20 05:49 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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The Mueller charges against the Russian IT firms were dropped by the way.
Lack of a case by prosecution.

Hilarious that the people entertaining false narratives about Russian election meddling canít comment on our own domestic vote rigging. Odd....

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#323138 - 03/21/20 06:36 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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No mention of who decided to drop those charges? The Trump AG I would imagine. Pretty damned self-serving.

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#323139 - 03/21/20 06:51 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
No mention of who decided to drop those charges? The Trump AG I would imagine. Pretty damned self-serving.


My favorite quip is about how Trump has "out-lefted the Left".
Well, considering that Steve Bannon proudly said that he sees himself as a Leninist bent on deconstructing the administrative state, I'd have to say that it is true.
But the real question is, is that really how far Left we want to go?

After all, the moment one has deconstructed the administrative state to the degree Bannon dreams of, there's nothing left to protect democracy.

Maybe once one gets that far Left, democracy doesn't really matter?
I don't know, because I don't think I've ever BEEN that far Left.

I'm just an ordinary lefty.
I'm not interested in outdoing the Democratic Party, I just want the Democratic Party to make itself viable, that's all, viable for liberal ideas, viable for the working class, viable for a form of capitalism that is accessible to all, viable for the largest number of people.

I see socialism as a stimulant, a spice...like hot sauce.
It can be injected as a way to make capitalism more humane.

I'm not interested in deconstructing the state, I'm interested in making the state serve the people better.

So, has Trump out-Lefted the Left? If you consider the fact that "the Two Santas" are waiting in the wings, no...not even remotely.
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#323141 - 03/21/20 07:20 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
No mention of who decided to drop those charges? The Trump AG I would imagine. Pretty damned self-serving.


You should look into your question. The answer should make you feel like a chump.

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#323142 - 03/21/20 07:22 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I thought you self identified as a liberal. Are you conflating that with leftism?

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#323145 - 03/21/20 07:48 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
I thought you self identified as a liberal. Are you conflating that with leftism?


Pretty sure that you can learn at least some of my position by re-reading my previous post.

Make of that what you will.
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#323148 - 03/21/20 09:04 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I did. You made some incoherent statements and talked about being average left, whatever that means to you.

Youíve also identified as a liberal in the past. So I wondered if you were conflating liberalism with leftism.

Doesnít matter really. It was passing curiosity.

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#323152 - 03/21/20 09:29 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
I did. You made some incoherent statements and talked about being average left, whatever that means to you.

Youíve also identified as a liberal in the past. So I wondered if you were conflating liberalism with leftism.

Doesnít matter really. It was passing curiosity.




Yeah, if you gathered my meaning from my post then your question is asked and answered, so I don't feel obliged to get into whatever logical fallacy box you want me to get into.

I don't hate capitalism, I just think it needs proper regulation. We have fire safety rules for a reason. Same logic applies.
Socialism is a wonderful stimulant and it helps protect working class folks from predation, so a strong social contract is essential.

I favor universal healthcare and universal access to affordable higher education and training.

I favor strong unions and universal access to them, through apprenticeship programs.

I'm big on restoring domestic manufacturing.

I'm big on social remedies for social ills like racism and gender inequality, and I am pro-choice. I welcome any immigrant who demonstrates the ability to become a productive member of society and support paths to that end, and I think we need to help refugees to the extent we can.

I hate private prisons and want them to disappear.
I hate the fact that war is now a consumer product, and so is news and public affairs.

And having said all that, I hate the fact that we're so far right that even getting to the center looks like a big leap.
And no, I don't have the magic solution to it all.

Now, what box do you think I fit in?
I couldn't care less.
"Doesnít matter really. It was passing curiosity."
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#323174 - 03/22/20 12:57 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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You donít have to explain your beliefs to me Jeff. I donít believe I asked you too.

Just wanted to know if you were conflating liberalism with leftism. Is that unreasonable? I didnít think so but it wasnít really that important.

Youíve identified with both of those camps. That seemed to be a contradiction.

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#323176 - 03/22/20 03:01 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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No mention of who decided to drop those charges? The Trump AG I would imagine. Pretty damned self-serving.


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You should look into your question. The answer should make you feel like a chump.


I have read more about, and it looks like I'm right. Do You know something about the dismissal I don't know?

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