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#323378 - 03/26/20 12:05 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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What is your opinion of the DNC insisting on holding primaries last week?
Threatening states of having delegates stripped if they donít?
Do you think that was wise having poll workers and voters stuffed together knowing what we know about this pandemic?
Voters waiting in long lines and crowded rooms just to get Biden maximum votes before the public catches on to his mental state?

Or are the Democrats always the good guys in your movie?


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#323384 - 03/26/20 01:23 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
There's a fair chance that this thing blows over pretty quickly and Trump comes out smelling like a rose.

There's a bigger chance that it grinds on for months and Trump's current "surge" in the approval/disapproval polls will dwindle away like his stock market gains.

Trump is blessed with Teela Brown's luck. It's not normal.

That's why I'm watching to see if this isn't but a short term thing, which would be normal. After any major event or happening there usually is a spike or a drop for a few weeks, then the ratings return to normal as prior to any event happening. Whether that will be the case or not, remains to be seen.

I've noticed it isn't the Republicans nor the democrats that have changed their view on Trump's job performance. The increase comes from independents, the non-affiliated and less partisan. But they're finicky and can revert back to where they were in a heartbeat or they could attached themselves permanently. Time will tell.
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#323388 - 03/26/20 05:02 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
What is your opinion of the DNC insisting on holding primaries last week?
Threatening states of having delegates stripped if they donít?
Do you think that was wise having poll workers and voters stuffed together knowing what we know about this pandemic?
Voters waiting in long lines and crowded rooms just to get Biden maximum votes before the public catches on to his mental state?

Or are the Democrats always the good guys in your movie?


Changing the course of the opposition party's tribal and cartel style ownership of a corrupt criminal enterprise is happening under an overall cloud of criminality, is my opinion, but how that translates depends on your point of view.

It appears yours centers primarily around gutting the entire system altogether, combined with a certain willingness to accept the consequences, even if that turns out to be four more years of Trump, or possibly a lifetime appointment with rights transferred to the family afterwards...whatever the traffic will bear in "an emergency".

It turns out that it is not difficult to promulgate horrifying emergencies. All it takes is willful criminal incompetence.
Therefore I suspect that a few more terrifying emergencies could very well be in the near future should we fail to vote this present majority out of power.

As I've also said before, your current life situation cannot help but influence your relative view of either gutting it all, or letting the current occupant remain in the White House, or even BOTH...and dealing with the alternative, which is putting Democrats back in power.

And I say that it influences your view because you yourself are on record as saying you're not really in it to construct solutions.

Mel Brooks once said, "Critics can't even make music by rubbing their hind legs together!" LOL

Of course, my situation differs, so I too cannot help but also be influenced by that on my end. I can't afford to continue this nightmare, no way.
If Joe Biden is "the Devil we know", then even that is preferable.
That is my view of the entire thing, that is what influences my entire view.
And that is because I know for sure that if we get another four years of this, my view will not matter anymore, because I will most likely wind up dead before it is over. I seriously doubt three of us over here would survive it. The only survivor would probably be my daughter and God knows what would happen to her.

I don't have a magic wand to control the DNC and neither do you.
But my response will never be to piss on the whole thing, out of spite or otherwise.
The only way I can ever afford to even have that view would BE if I were dead.
But dead people do not HAVE views and opinions.
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#323390 - 03/26/20 06:05 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Jeebuz, whatíd ya do, get a thesaurus for your birthday?

Did you ever answer the question of the DNC insisting on voters go out and vote during the primary?.....

With all the histrionics over Republicans, I was generally interested in wether you see the same ghoulishness with the Dem party.

Iím going to guess you donít and will insist on giving one political party a free pass even though thereís hardly any daylight between them and the other on very important issues.

After this primary, it is clear to me and millions of others, that the party does not want progressives, universal healthcare, a raise of the minimum wage, rights of labor to organize, a more democratic approach to capitalism, etc.

Politics is getting more votes than your opponent. If the Democratic Party thinks it can win by refusing to support those issues and they lose. Thatís on them.

Sp far as I can tell, instead of any meaningful proposals of any kind being articulated and pushed over the last 4 years, itís been a nonstop effort of excuse making, smearing, virtue signaling and false choices.

You canít tell me what the Democratic Partyís hand selected front runner stands for. All you have is a dottering old man in a meat locker with an insistence that heís less a threat than the POTUS. Thatís not politics.

Irony? Maybe. Recipe for 4 more years of current POTUS? Probably.

Like all hacks, there will be more excuses to come for turning in hack work. The RUSSIANS, Comey, Bernie Bros and on and on.

The only thing Dems have made a priority is to resist progressives in their primaries.

So good luck to em.

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#323391 - 03/26/20 06:06 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I don't have a magic wand to control the DNC and neither do you.

Mega-corporations hold the magic wand and control the DNC. The DNC chooses the candidates you vote for. It's your choice whether or not you support them. I have spent a lifetime voting for Democrats and hoping for change, thus far they have failed to deliver more than marginally more optimal outcomes for workers. Conversely when Republicans are in power they deliver marginally worse outcomes.

The media(also controlled by mega-corporations) plays one side against the other to maintain profits and keep wages low.

Focusing on Donald Trump and imagining that he is "the problem" is foolish. Donald Trump is nothing more than a distraction. Replacing him with Biden is another distraction. But you will see four years of marginally better outcomes for workers before media whips up the anger and puts the party of marginally worse outcomes back into power.

Any real leaders who happen to pop up in the system are quickly co-opted by Our Corporate Overlords and become vastly wealthy and powerful within the System of Corporate Control which dominates world politics. Some call them "CEOs".

Our entire Federal Government is a sham. A puppet show. Sheer mummery.
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#323394 - 03/26/20 07:22 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I suspect you may be giving waaay too much credit to the corporations. As far as who chooses the candidates I would think that the Media is more responsible for that than anything/body else. I am also not all that convinced that the media is actually all that well controlled either. They chose, for instance, Trump because, as one media CEO said, "he is a hell of a money maker for us!" Hell, the Dems can't even control, or even stop, somebody running under their banner to actually belong to their party! I have, pretty much, voted Democratic for a very long time (with the occasional error in judgment). that being said I have also voted Democratic with little enthusiasm and that is getting less and less over time. Hell, I am no longer even sure they have planks to define what, exactly, they are for or against!

I also have some other hangups. One is that I firmly believe that most folks, that vote Democratic, are for healthcare as a social service. The Democratic party also supports Public Education which conservatives believe to be the devil's work which takes away the individual's right to determine a child's education. Anyway, healthcare as a social service just can't be done in one fell swoop. The Dems actually stand a chance to take it all in November but that would depend on the Democrats to actually make some kind of effort. So far I am not even convinced they actually want to win in November! They are constantly dunning for money but, for the life of me, I can't figure out where its going. Is surely isn't going for any ads that I have seen. The way most candidates are working very hard for money it would seem they are not getting all that much from the Dems either. Perhaps the Democratic management is getting paid REALLY well? Anyway, I, for one, would really like to see the Democratic party start making decisions and going after Trump with a will rather than the standard Democratic whine and wimper.

Ah, I may have figured it out. The Dems are waiting for the convention to determine who will be their candidate. There is only one little problem, this year, with that - COVID-19!!! They must have some sort of plan but, again for the life of me, I can't figure that one out either. Oh, if the Dems are actually controlled by 'whatever' then 'whatever' is doing a p*ss poor job in the running of the Democratic party!

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#323399 - 03/26/20 07:45 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: jgw]
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As far as who chooses the candidates I would think that the Media is more responsible for that than anything/body else.


And the media is controlled by the corporations...who also control the DNC and the RNC. Look around and you will find that practically nothing is controlled by "The People".

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The Dems are waiting for the convention to determine who will be their candidate.
No, the candidate has been chosen and it's Joe Biden. Sanders is using this time to help with the Covid-19 response from the bully pulpit provided him by his candidacy. Biden is taking a victory lap and struggling for air time.
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#323400 - 03/26/20 07:48 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: jgw]
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If you werenít paying attention to the 2016 reconciliation committee meetings you may have missed a BIG point of contention of the parties handling and disclosure of the fundraising.

Itís a very good question of how money is raised and how it gets distributed.. Iíve been posting on it for 3 1/2 years but mostly to empty response.

No ad campaign is a guaranty of success but it does help. Taking your opinion that it doesnít, hasnít that been a feature for the excuse of losing on 2016? A Russian influence campaign?

Believing in healthcare or believing in education or a living wage is nice and virtuous.
What it ainít is is agreeing about the fundamental way in achieving that. Electing politicians that are not for it and are backed by corporate lobbying efforts in the form of a boughten Senator makes absolutely no sense.

If lobbying is shaping our legislative agendas and bills whoís paying for the lobbyists?
Iím going to go with corporations over the Girl Scouts. At least in cash on hand.
Who has been centered for financial relief in the last two weeks? Which portion of the economies interest has come first? Iím going to go with debt interests.

Finally, ĎTrumps a mad king that must be removed!í No, heís a grifter NYC developer that learned how at his fathers feet.
Dems are likely to swap out Biden for another guy whoís father and Trumpsí go back.

If Mad King Trump were true then why does congress allocate money for his agenda in matters of war department and deep state? Why do they approve of the surveillance act?




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#323401 - 03/26/20 08:02 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Loc: North San Diego County
What I find most distressing about the Democratic Party (and I mean EVERYONE, not the DNC) is that this cycle we got nothing but flawed candidates. There are plenty of popular Democratic Governors, Senators, Representatives, public figures, etc. who could have run. But instead we got some women, a gay Mayor, some very old guys, a socialist, a billionaire party-flipper, etc. A regular sitcom cast! Yang was the closest to a viable candidate except for no political experience and being Chinese-American.

Are Democratic primary voters so politically correct now they won't consider a White Male Democrat with real political experience? One who could actually go on TV and win over a majority of Democratic Primary voters and still win the general election?

My wife and I are both mixed race ourselves, and I think there are a lot of very competent women in politics, so I don't say this out of racism or sexism. But a whole lot of Americans are racist, or sexist, or both. Men AND women. Democrats tend to be less racist and sexist, but still you have to win the election if you want to change anything. I guess we get "points" for being pure, but we do lose. I would rather win.

BTW, I would not count on Biden, Sanders, Trump, Pence, McConnell, and Pelosi still all being alive by November. We could end up with George Clooney or Andrew Cuomo on the second ballot.

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#323408 - 03/26/20 08:33 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Iíd put money on Cuomo. He governs like a Democrat.
Two weeks ago he was pushing to cut stateís medicaid.
He gave the go ahead for the ĎIDCí to form effectively kneecapping any progressive bills from passing. The IDC caucused with republicans but maintained their Democratic Party status.
He understands the partisan gridlock game and how to utilized it. Trading a shoulder shrug Ďwhatyagunnado?í for a public brawl over policies.


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