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#323598 - 03/30/20 02:59 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Are you that cretinous to argue equivalency? Are there levels of rapiness in the liberal world. Some deserving attention, others not do much. I’m going with ‘yes’. It’s the most glaring feature of liberals.


No, I'm quite sympathetic with #MeToo: Some huge percentage of women now report times when they have been sexually assaulted. My own mother was a legal secretary, even to the governor of Alaska, and she can tell you plenty of stories about being chased around the desk and getting pawed by otherwise upstanding men. She had a nice figure, and that's just how things were back then.

All I'm doing is saying everybody can sling mud. All those women were not just being assaulted by one guy. If one party ignores it entirely and the other party kicks Al Franken out of the Senate, then we have a problem of voluntary crippling the party for purity's sake.

Calling me and most of the other members here rapey cretins is not going to win anybody over to your positions.

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#323601 - 03/30/20 03:38 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
chunkstyle Offline
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Uhhh nooo...

I just called your false equivalency cretinous. Which it is. It’s stupid.

Your drawing equivalency to writing about something to a potential assault with possible victims.

Then this gem:

“Sometime in the past we got drunk and did stupid things. We got high on illegal drugs too, and broke even more laws by giving them to our friends. We even posted stuff online or looked at porn that we shouldn't have. We are all human, and humans make mistakes.“

O.K. Trying to figure out if your saying sometimes we did stupid things and we did a little raping? Looking at porn is equal to a sexual assault allegation?

Doesn’t matter really. The point is if you can work up indignation and outrage over Trump or Kavanaugh but go mute or make lame excuses with Biden then you’ve outed yourself as a hypocrite.

Goes for Media as well. Only reenforces the ‘fake news’ image. Liberal morality is transactional and hypocritical and only interested in tone policing for others.

Yet I wonder what some members here were posting at the time of the Trump allegations or Kavanuagh confirmation?

No ones trying to win you over PIA. That’s a fools errand.


Edited by chunkstyle (03/30/20 03:47 AM)

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#323606 - 03/30/20 12:44 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I would assume that is the 15% of Sanders supporters who can only see the choices as black versus white: Sanders is white, and anything else is black. Pretty much a personality cult. I actually voted for Sanders in the California primary, but I am rational enough to see Biden, the grey choice, is preferable over Trump. Or maybe some of them think Sanders has a better chance running in 2024 if enough people are sick of Trump.

Well I got news for them: Sanders will not be a viable candidate in 2024, and if Trump wins I doubt there would even be elections in 2024. The election this time is to decide if we want a Republic of Laws, or a dictatorship. If we go with Dictatorship it's VERY hard to go back.


Yes, that's how I see it also. Personality cult. They worship the man, my man or no one. But if one looks at both major parties as being corporate owned, owing their heart and souls to corporations, wall street, lobbyists, special interests, mega money donors and the like, I can understand them.

I do disagree on the dictatorship part. I heard the same thing being said about Obama by some Republicans when he was president. They were so afraid Obama wouldn't step down.
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#323651 - 03/31/20 04:19 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: perotista]
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Reality Has Endorsed Bernie Sanders
This is a good read and I suggest you all read it to better understand the Sanders Insurgency.

It's not about the man, it's about an economy and two parties who have let down the American people. Biden has stated that he is unequivocally against Medicare For All even during a pandemic, because it failed in Italy. Profits for insurance companies must be assured, poor people are poor because they made bad decisions, industry must be bailed out regardless of their bad decisions.

It's not a cult of personality, it is a pragmatic glance at what's going to happen if we don't change our ways. Biden is not an agent of change.

If you are all satisfied with things exactly the way they're going then by all means shun those leftists and vote for Biden or Trump!

There is no ideological difference between the two.
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#323660 - 03/31/20 07:09 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Reality Has Endorsed Bernie Sanders
This is a good read and I suggest you all read it to better understand the Sanders Insurgency.

It's not about the man, it's about an economy and two parties who have let down the American people. Biden has stated that he is unequivocally against Medicare For All even during a pandemic, because it failed in Italy. Profits for insurance companies must be assured, poor people are poor because they made bad decisions, industry must be bailed out regardless of their bad decisions.

It's not a cult of personality, it is a pragmatic glance at what's going to happen if we don't change our ways. Biden is not an agent of change.

If you are all satisfied with things exactly the way they're going then by all means shun those leftists and vote for Biden or Trump!

There is no ideological difference between the two.



I do not know ANYBODY who thinks Bernie is a cult of personality.
I just know that there's a small faction of people who are dickheads about working the process because they don't understand it, and I know another small faction who didn't bother to vote.

The rest, the overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters are just people who are now disappointed that he didn't get the numbers, and I suspect that a lot of them are wondering if it is possible for a miracle to happen that puts Sanders ahead.

I have no idea how that would or could work, but of course if it did happen, I would be overjoyed.
Know who's not overjoyed? A bunch of low information establishment Dems who don't bother to deep dive on the issues, so they think that a rewind to the Clinton/Obama period is all that's needed.
Their counterparts in Congress are equally obtuse.

And it looks like most of them are now dumbfounded and cannot understand how to parse the current crisis.

Given that both Bernie and Biden are old and high-risk, there is a definite possibility, no matter how remote, that both could be in danger from this virus, so all bets are off.

What do we do if BOTH of them are incapacitated?
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#323661 - 03/31/20 07:37 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I do not know ANYBODY who thinks Bernie is a cult of personality.

Yes you do...
Did you read the previous two posts? Apparently many feel that way.

Originally Posted By: jgw
Pretty much a personality cult.


Originally Posted By: perotista
that's how I see it also. Personality cult. They worship the man, my man or no one.
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#323662 - 03/31/20 07:46 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
Hamish Howl Offline
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Love your rationalizing, PIA. The wellspring of so many absurd ideas.

We heard all about Trumps sexual vulgarities and possible criminality by libs here at the rant. Couldn’t get enough posting on it during the 2016 election and beyond here.

Biden has had several women coming forward on improper behavior with one on the record as having been pressed to a wall and finger F’d by Biden.

Finally, there’s a difference between sanders writing about an idea as a young man with no literal other parties involved and having a women penetrated against her will.

Are you that cretinous to argue equivalency? Are there levels of rapiness in the liberal world. Some deserving attention, others not do much.

I’m going with ‘yes’. It’s the most glaring feature of liberals.


This is why you don't get invited to parties, you know.
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#323663 - 03/31/20 07:47 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
Hamish Howl Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas

I do not know ANYBODY who thinks Bernie is a cult of personality.



Yes you do.

<--- This [censored] guy.
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#323665 - 03/31/20 08:08 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
perotista Offline
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Registered: 09/05/19
Posts: 590
Originally Posted By: Greger
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I do not know ANYBODY who thinks Bernie is a cult of personality.

Yes you do...
Did you read the previous two posts? Apparently many feel that way.

Originally Posted By: jgw
Pretty much a personality cult.


Originally Posted By: perotista
that's how I see it also. Personality cult. They worship the man, my man or no one.



I'd say it's a personality cult for some, not all. Quite a few Sanders supporters in 2016 and it looks like again in 2020 support the man, not the party. Or perhaps like Sanders, they're independents who want a self identified independent to win the Democratic nomination. If he doesn't, that's it. No more support or voting for whomever the Democrats nominate.

I think the polls support that. Whereas Biden is the overwhelming choice among self identified Democrats, Sanders is the choice of independents who are voting in the Democratic Primaries. Question 62 -62. Democratic Nominee Preference - Between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders, who do you prefer to be the Democratic nominee? Democratic Party members prefer Biden 63-35 over Sanders, but independents voting in the Democratic primaries prefer Sanders over Biden 49-44

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/bfiid7tfh3/econTabReport.pdf

In other words, I'd say many Sanders supporters are loyal to him and his ideas, but not to the Democratic Party, although many are loyal Democrats. Loyal Democrats along with loyal Democrats who support Sanders will vote for their party's nominee regardless of who he is.

But those only loyal only to Sanders will not. As seen in 2016, many of those stayed home and didn't vote, those who voted, 75% voted for Hillary, 12% for Trump and a whopping 13% for a third party candidate if newsweek is to be believed. Compare that to the self identified Democrats which went to Hillary 89-8 over Trump with but 3% voting third party.

I understand that as I've been in that same boat before. To where if I didn't like either major party candidate, I voted third party. Five times since my first presidential vote in 1968, I have voted against both major party candidates.
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#323666 - 03/31/20 08:17 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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If people are too ornery to vote against Trump, then we all deserve everything that happens to us.

After November, nobody has a right to bitch, because you bought it.
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