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#323653 - 03/31/20 04:59 PM I wonder what could have happened to our stockpiles of medical stuff?
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#323659 - 03/31/20 07:03 PM Re: I wonder what could have happened to our stockpiles of medical stuff? [Re: jgw]
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It's being reported.
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#323664 - 03/31/20 07:48 PM Re: I wonder what could have happened to our stockpiles of medical stuff? [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw


Like the media you just linked to?

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#323681 - 04/01/20 12:05 AM Re: I wonder what could have happened to our stockpiles of medical stuff? [Re: jgw]
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This is a bigger story, I think, than just that, but that is a big story in and of itself. The shipments are just one aspect of the gross incompetence displayed by Trump and his "misleadership team.but the bigger picture includes the entire Republican party and the fetish for "cutting costs" and "smaller government". Hop aboard the wayback machine and let me tell you a story...

The Strategic National Stockpile:
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In April 1998, President Bill Clinton read the Richard Preston novel The Cobra Event, a fiction book about a mad scientists spreading a virus throughout New York City. As a result, Clinton held a meeting with scientists and cabinet officials to discuss the threat of bioterrorism. He was so impressed that he asked the experts to meet with senior-level aides at the Department of Defense and in the Department of Health and Human Services. At that time, the government had stockpiles of medications for military personnel, but did not have them for civilians. Shortly after, The Washington Post wrote that Clinton surprised many in Washington at how fast he and his National Security Council had moved to change that. By October, Clinton signed into law a new budget of $51 million for pharmaceutical and vaccine stockpiling to be carried out by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Coronavirus Is Putting the U.S. Strategic National Stockpile to the Test. Here’s the Surprising Story Behind the Stash(TIME)

At first, it was Y2K that was the impetus for the effort and it was limited to stockpiling vaccines and other pharmaceuticals, as the military stockpile that preceded it had done. Then 9/11 happened, and the focus changed (as it should have before then, but I digress...). It became more broad based, including equipment like ventilators and PPE. In 2003 responsibility was passed jointly to Homeland Security and Health and Human Services, and the name changed to the "The Strategic National Stockpile" (jointly, is a problem).

Although initially it was well(ish)-funded, Congress (mostly Republican) quickly lost its ardor, cutting funding in 2007 and again in 2014. to cut costs, most of the suppliers were located in China, where the cheapest vendors were located. As a result of funding limitations and the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, which used up 100 million of the N95 masks (95% of the supply), the stockpile was never replenished.

When COVID-19 hit three things occurred almost simultaneously: 1) China quit shipping PPE, 2) Trump halved the budget, and 3) a huge chunk of our reserves were sent to China because the administration didn't take the threat seriously. Now, we don't have the reserves, we can't produce our own, and what we do have is well past its "expiration date".


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#323721 - 04/01/20 06:22 PM Re: I wonder what could have happened to our stockpiles of medical stuff? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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this happened waaay back in January and its, just now, being reported. This seems to be a bit of "day late and dollar short" to me. We have now had 3 months of battle over this stuff and now its coming to light? One would have thought a more timely effort could have been made?

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#323724 - 04/01/20 06:38 PM Re: I wonder what could have happened to our stockpiles of medical stuff? [Re: jgw]
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In January, Trump was busy with all of his impeachment trial appearances. Then in February, he needed to unwind by holding rallies and golfing like crazy. In March he had to deal with this virus plot by Democrats to impeach him again because they lost the last time...

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#323733 - 04/01/20 07:13 PM Re: I wonder what could have happened to our stockpiles of medical stuff? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
In January, Trump was busy with all of his impeachment trial appearances. Then in February, he needed to unwind by holding rallies and golfing like crazy. In March he had to deal with this virus plot by Democrats to impeach him again because they lost the last time...


I think JGW might be hinting that the PRESS wasted valuable opportunity to shine a spotlight on the problem a couple of months ago when this crisis first began to arise. Back THEN...is when all the points JGW was alluding to should have been talked about by the press.
I might be wrong, but I think JGW is saying that the PRESS was a day late and a dollar short.

Am I right JG?
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#323735 - 04/01/20 07:26 PM Re: I wonder what could have happened to our stockpiles of medical stuff? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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My ex just told me that her industry probably has tons of personal protection equipment sitting in containers waiting for orders to imprint them with your logo. She can order them by the thousands any time, hand sanitizer too. Her computer shows all those items in stock and ready to imprint and ship. She has reached out to the local hospital to let them know it's available. Others in the ASI industry are probably realizing this right now too.
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#323736 - 04/01/20 07:30 PM Re: I wonder what could have happened to our stockpiles of medical stuff? [Re: jgw]
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Trump sold our asses down the river.
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#323825 - 04/03/20 08:29 PM Re: I wonder what could have happened to our stockpiles of medical stuff? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I am not really sure. I think that the truth is that the Jackass Trump is REALLY good at changing the subject. Its what he does and, this time, he REALLY snookered the media who, apparently, just forgot this little thing.

I find it very odd indeed. The TV media, for instance, continues to ignore this little fact. It is, as far as I am concerned, yet another blot on the record of our TV media. Both CNN and MSNBC have ignored this one. I don't think they have actually even mentioned it to date.

I am wrong. Just did another google on this one and, now, they have actually started to report it - ONLY 3 months late!

One would think................


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