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#322472 - 03/05/20 04:52 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Does anyone know if Bloomberg beat Jeb’s record on the most money spent per delegate? I think he’s the new record holder but not certain.


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#322473 - 03/05/20 05:03 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Democratic Party appears to be willing to lose to Trump than win with Sanders.


Wasn't Joe Biden the VP under Obama?

Who on this planet do Republicans hate more than Obama? They'll come out in joyous droves to vote against anything Obama.

Maybe voters will see the truth of it, maybe they won't.
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#322475 - 03/05/20 05:45 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Biden is a perfect neoliberal symbol. A corporate whore and war salesman, he has mastered a folksy ‘lunch box Joe’ persona but has been inflicting job losses, violent military conflict, debt misery opponent of civil rights, prison promoter and helped deliver a conservative judge to the Supreme Court.

It will be Sanders job to draw the distinction with Biden’s record and his own. It won’t be easy. The party is trying to make him the ‘blue no matter who’ heir apparent. His public displays of mental confusion may help.

It wouldn’t hurt to remind voters of his collaboration with some of the worst republicans and their legislative agenda. Tie him to that toxic party and remind voters how he’s looking to team up with the opposition in a running mate.

If Sanders can’t get it done the gallows consolation will be watching two devestatimgly awful boomers battle it out on stage debates. If we’re all gunna drown at least there’ll be a show.

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#322478 - 03/05/20 05:55 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Biden wants weed to stay illegal...

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#322481 - 03/05/20 02:53 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Biden is a perfect neoliberal symbol. A corporate whore and war salesman, he has mastered a folksy ‘lunch box Joe’ persona but has been inflicting job losses, violent military conflict, debt misery opponent of civil rights, prison promoter and helped deliver a conservative judge to the Supreme Court.

It will be Sanders job to draw the distinction with Biden’s record and his own. It won’t be easy. The party is trying to make him the ‘blue no matter who’ heir apparent. His public displays of mental confusion may help.

It wouldn’t hurt to remind voters of his collaboration with some of the worst republicans and their legislative agenda. Tie him to that toxic party and remind voters how he’s looking to team up with the opposition in a running mate.

If Sanders can’t get it done the gallows consolation will be watching two devestatimgly awful boomers battle it out on stage debates. If we’re all gunna drown at least there’ll be a show.



Everyone left in the race is a boomer.
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#322484 - 03/05/20 04:09 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Yes....and?

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#322531 - 03/06/20 05:44 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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It doesn't matter WHO gets elected.
If it's a Democratic president, Mitch McConnell vows 100 percent obstruction.


“I guarantee you that if I’m the last man standing and I’m still the majority leader, it ain’t happening. I can promise you.”



Oh looky! One of those "moderate Republicans" that we're supposed to "reach across the aisle and work with!"
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#322548 - 03/07/20 02:49 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
It doesn't matter WHO gets elected.
If it's a Democratic president, Mitch McConnell vows 100 percent obstruction.

He did that with Obama too. Hmm That old turtle has gots to go! mad
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#322549 - 03/07/20 02:51 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I was looking at 538 earlier today, Bernie and Biden are neck-and-neck next Tuesday - 5 primaries.
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#322572 - 03/07/20 10:43 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
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I don't know if I'd say "America". I think what we can say is that the "Democratic Party" (or, at least, their primary voters) are willing to stick closer to the Status Quo than what Sanders was offering, at least, going by national polls, when that Status Quo seemed to be in the ascendancy.

I'd say that's the actual truth of it, closer than my own hyperbolic attempt.

But hey, life goes on eh? And the horse race is far from over.

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A week ago, we were having the same conversation, but with the names reversed.

Yeah I had written Biden off completely. You reckon it's gonna be 2016 all over again?


Hm. Well, the parallel everyone has been drawing with the Democratic primary in 2020 is the GOP primary in 2016.

The Democratic Party has proven itself stronger and its aspiring leaders more willing to sacrifice personal grandstanding to benefit the party than the Republican Party saw in 2016. Buttegeig, Kloubachar, and Bloomberg all got out to endorse Biden to stop the insurgent campaign who viewed their own party with almost as much hostility as they viewed the other. At this point in 2016, IIRC, Rubio was still in the race (though he would drop a week later)*, Cruz was still in the race, Ben Carson was still in the race, and that pompous smug ass whose father was a mailman was still in the race, all of them splitting the non-Trump vote.

Each of the major non-Trump candidates (Bush, Rubio, Cruz) was working on the strategy that the race should come down to just them v Trump so they could win... and so each spent their ammo on the other at a critical point in the campaign. We saw this through Nevada, right up until the debate right before South Carolina.

At that point, I think, the Democratic 2020 pathway swerved from the GOP 2016 pathway. At this point, it looks like the insurgent is likely to be defeated.

The shift in 538's projections on the matter are dramatic.

But, as you say, this horse race isn't over. I've learned (bitterly) not to undercount the power of Movement Campaigns when they are up against shallow Coalition Campaigns.
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