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#323559 - 03/29/20 06:22 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Why would Black be reluctant? They seem particularly motivated up until now, and heavily favor Biden.

Yes, Black supporters support Joe Biden by a large margin and they don't support Bernie.

The black support for Hillary was low as well. Hmm

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Voter apathy and Clinton's failure to connect with the black community -- particularly African American millennials disillusioned with establishment Democratic politics -- were also part of the problem.

- Newsweek.com


Americans now understand the existential threat to our country and that is why "Vote Blue, No Matter Who" materialized. smile
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#323563 - 03/29/20 07:16 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Love your rationalizing, PIA. The wellspring of so many absurd ideas.

We heard all about Trumps sexual vulgarities and possible criminality by libs here at the rant. Couldnít get enough posting on it during the 2016 election and beyond here.

Biden has had several women coming forward on improper behavior with one on the record as having been pressed to a wall and finger Fíd by Biden.

Finally, thereís a difference between sanders writing about an idea as a young man with no literal other parties involved and having a women penetrated against her will.

Are you that cretinous to argue equivalency? Are there levels of rapiness in the liberal world. Some deserving attention, others not do much.

Iím going with Ďyesí. Itís the most glaring feature of liberals.

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#323565 - 03/29/20 07:26 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: pdx rick]
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Americans now understand the existential threat to our country

No they don't. If they did Trump would not be president and Biden would not be the nominee.

Vote Blue No Matter Who...
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#323569 - 03/29/20 08:40 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Why would Black be reluctant? They seem particularly motivated up until now, and heavily favor Biden.


I said they could be reluctant if by some shenanigan the Democratic Party, DNC takes the nomination away from Biden. In other words, progressives might not be the only block of voters who wouldn't support the Democratic nominee whole heartily if their man doesn't get nominated.
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#323570 - 03/29/20 08:40 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Oh! I didn't grok that.

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#323571 - 03/29/20 08:56 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
The whole southern black voting bloc is a primary farce. I join the view that itís primary purpose is to skew the media narratives of electability to a conservative geographic region that Dems donít fare too well in with the general.

But yeah, if your posting numbers after the fact and not involved in numbers leading up to, say, Mass or Iowa, you didnít have a front seat to the rat effing the Dem party engages in the primaries.

If youíve ever been in a down ballot campaign for a Leftist progressive itís even more overt. Plenty on Rahm Emanuel reporting here. I have never seen leftists thus angry or the media crafting fictions so obvious.

Note the current black out of Bidenís rape accuser as just one easy example of media craft. Not fact checking Bidenís raft of lies in his last debate would be another. Media shapes reality and has favored the enfeebled creep heavily.

Still no word from the Warren camp on the rape charges....
Nothing from the #resistance or pussy hats either..
Nothing from the pussy grabbing hot mic obsessed media...
No Neera Tandem tweets of support.

Kinda proves they should have never been taken seriously. Itís always been a morally transactional crowd with no solidarity.


From around December of last year until Iowa, Biden was running between 50-60% the first choice of blacks. Here's an old poll from 31 Dec 2019 show Biden with 52% support from blacks, Sanders 10% and Warren 15%

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/2r6hyqtv9p/econTabReport.pdf
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#323572 - 03/29/20 09:01 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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Blacks may be very reluctant to show up at the polls.


Hows come?

I have no idea what other progressives might do, their vote is entirely their own to use or not use as they see fit. Perhaps when enough Americans just stop voting because it's a complete waste of time, the government will stop pretending that it cares one way or another about the voters. Then maybe we can get down to business.

And I don't need to hear any crap about "our democracy" because I haven't seen anything democratic about our government in my lifetime and history hasn't shown me that it existed at any point since the signing of the declaration either.

It's all about rich folks finagling government into doing what makes them the most money.

Voting for Biden because he will take us back to a time before Trump is rubbish. Any of the other 27 candidates could hire qualified people.

Biden will just lead us to the next Trump.

Mitch McConnell is almost old enough to run for president now isn't he?
Everyone of us, each individual has reasons for the way they vote or even why they don't bother to vote. My son who turned 52 has never bothered to vote. His reason, Washington does what it wants to do regardless of who is in charge.

Whether you vote or not is your business. Who you vote for is your business if you do. All I wanted to point out is if shenanigans occur with the nomination process, there are other groups who could get very angry other than progressives or Sanders supporters.
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#323594 - 03/30/20 01:07 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Why would Black be reluctant? They seem particularly motivated up until now, and heavily favor Biden.

Yes, Black supporters support Joe Biden by a large margin and they don't support Bernie.

The black support for Hillary was low as well. Hmm

Quote:
Voter apathy and Clinton's failure to connect with the black community -- particularly African American millennials disillusioned with establishment Democratic politics -- were also part of the problem.

- Newsweek.com


Americans now understand the existential threat to our country and that is why "Vote Blue, No Matter Who" materialized. smile


Few people know that Sanders in 2016 actually edged out Hillary among white voters in the Democratic Primary. But with Hillary receiving close to 80% of the black vote, she won going away.

In the general election Blacks voted for Hillary by an 89-8 margin over Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

Not as good as they voted for Obama in 2012 93-6 over Romney.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/

But Hillary wasn't black.

Further history of black voting.

2008 95-4 Obama over McCain
2004 88-11 Kerry over Bush
2000 90-8 Gore over Bush
1996 84-12 Clinton over Dole
1992 83-10 Clinton over Bush
1988 86-12 Dukakis over Bush
1984 90-9 Mondale over Reagan
1980 85-11 Carter over Reagan
1976 83-16 Carter over Ford
1972 82-18 McGovern over Nixon

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html

As you can see the 89% support for Hillary is probably two or three points above the historical average of black support for the Democratic nominee. Trump receiving 8% of the black vote was lower than other Republican nominees except McCain, Romney who were up against Obama and Bush in 2000 which received the same 8%.
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#323595 - 03/30/20 01:20 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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This is interesting, "Poll: 15% of Sanders supporters will vote for Trump if Biden is nominee; 80% would back Biden."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-15-sanders-supporters-vote-185748015.html
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#323597 - 03/30/20 02:47 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I would assume that is the 15% of Sanders supporters who can only see the choices as black versus white: Sanders is white, and anything else is black. Pretty much a personality cult. I actually voted for Sanders in the California primary, but I am rational enough to see Biden, the grey choice, is preferable over Trump. Or maybe some of them think Sanders has a better chance running in 2024 if enough people are sick of Trump.

Well I got news for them: Sanders will not be a viable candidate in 2024, and if Trump wins I doubt there would even be elections in 2024. The election this time is to decide if we want a Republic of Laws, or a dictatorship. If we go with Dictatorship it's VERY hard to go back.

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