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#321185 - 02/07/20 06:48 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Its true he isn't a Democrat, he is a self proclaimed Socialist. If he actually gets the nod that will paint the entire Democratic party as socialists. This will lose the election to Trump unless the Dems get VERY lucky. Oh, he has also refused to join the Democratic party.

All that being said I will vote for him, holding my nose................

Should also note that there is a socialist party he could (and probably should) run under. Its called the Socialist Party of America.

Should also wonder why in the hell he is running as a Democrat as he refuses to join them and is NOT a Democrat!

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#321191 - 02/07/20 07:10 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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President Sanders could not create progressive legislation by himself. That's not a President's job. All he could do is sign or veto bills congress sends him, and congress is just not going to be far from the mainstream.

Is that all that President Trump has done? Sign and veto bills? Apparently the president has a lot more power than we ever imagined. Perhaps we owe Republicans a debt of gratitude for showing us this.

President Sanders will inherit the most presidential power of any president in our history. Courtesy of the Republicans. And they have proven in court that those powers can not be abused.
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#321193 - 02/07/20 07:29 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Its true he isn't a Democrat, he is a self proclaimed Socialist. If he actually gets the nod that will paint the entire Democratic party as socialists. This will lose the election to Trump unless the Dems get VERY lucky. Oh, he has also refused to join the Democratic party.

All that being said I will vote for him, holding my nose................

Should also note that there is a socialist party he could (and probably should) run under. Its called the Socialist Party of America.

Should also wonder why in the hell he is running as a Democrat as he refuses to join them and is NOT a Democrat!


Why on Earth would he do that when there's a functioning, well-funded party that already exists as a political force, and has non-entities as existing candidates?
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#321197 - 02/07/20 08:59 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
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My general impression is that the Bro sector of his vote go after the DNC because they lack the guts to go after Trump.


It doesn't take any guts to go after Trump. Everybody in the free world is going after Trump.

But nobody has the guts to go after the corporatist right-wing DNC but the social democrats.



Yeah maybe so but going after the corporatist faux right-wing DNC is a fool's errand when we're still stuck under the thumb of a tyrant who is threatening to install a dictatorship.

Thus I disagree that going after Trump is easy.
If it was easy, then he'd already be in the rearview mirror a long time ago.
Easy my foot, it's been almost impossible, and not solely due to faux right-wing sympathies of the corporatist DNC either.
Trump intends to make our very elections themselves a thing of the past.
Trump can and WILL "shoot people on 5th Avenue, and get away with it".
Stop saying "It can't happen here" because it is happening here, and the opposition eating itself is exactly what he and The Kremlin want.

And it's partly because there IS a lack of guts in going after Trump, because the only effective way TO go after him is from a position of unity and with enough strength in numbers.
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#321198 - 02/07/20 09:01 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas

Yeah maybe so but going after the corporatist faux right-wing DNC is a fool's errand when we're still stuck under the thumb of a tyrant who is threatening to install a dictatorship.


This is why I wonder if I've been taking Goddamn crazy pills.
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#321199 - 02/07/20 09:03 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: jgw]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Its true he isn't a Democrat, he is a self proclaimed Socialist. If he actually gets the nod that will paint the entire Democratic party as socialists. This will lose the election to Trump unless the Dems get VERY lucky. Oh, he has also refused to join the Democratic party.

All that being said I will vote for him, holding my nose................

Should also note that there is a socialist party he could (and probably should) run under. Its called the Socialist Party of America.

Should also wonder why in the hell he is running as a Democrat as he refuses to join them and is NOT a Democrat!


The party he would join isn't SPA, it's DSA, Democratic Socialists of America and when he announced in 2016, they yawned and accused him of "not being a real socialist" and went back to sleep.

And they haven't exactly burned down any barns supporting him this time around either.

Not a word about him, not today, not yesterday, not last month, and there won't be a word about him tomorrow, or in November.

DSA link

Like I said, I was WRONG about that whole "he's not a real Democrat" business. First Debbie Schultz made an idiot out of me because I thought rules were rules, and now Tom Perez is doing almost the same thing but in a different manner, which doesn't matter because the net result is the same.

So, far as I'm concerned, Bernie is a Democrat.
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#321201 - 02/07/20 09:08 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: jgw]
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Its true he isn't a Democrat, he is a self proclaimed Socialist. If he actually gets the nod that will paint the entire Democratic party as socialists.


I think a better way of saying it is that the majority of Democratic voters want the Democratic Party to become more socialist!

It's been a long long time since the government threw the working man a bone and most of your voters gonna be working men and women who are sick of getting whisked under the rug the instant the voting is over.

It's what you might call a social movement.

I think it's very exciting!
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#321204 - 02/07/20 09:27 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Yeah maybe so but going after the corporatist faux right-wing DNC is a fool's errand when we're still stuck under the thumb of a tyrant who is threatening to install a dictatorship.

The old fool in the White House now is a petty tyrant who will be gone soon. Dictators need to start younger than Mr. Trump.

So is it best just to let The Party choose who our next candidates should be? Let the DNC change the party purity rules as they go along?
Interfere in elections? All to get the most right wing candidate on the ticket nominated and elected? The Party always has to have its toes held to the fire.
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#321217 - 02/07/20 11:30 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: jgw]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Its true he isn't a Democrat, he is a self proclaimed Socialist. If he actually gets the nod that will paint the entire Democratic party as socialists. This will lose the election to Trump unless the Dems get VERY lucky. Oh, he has also refused to join the Democratic party.

All that being said I will vote for him, holding my nose................

Should also note that there is a socialist party he could (and probably should) run under. Its called the Socialist Party of America.

Should also wonder why in the hell he is running as a Democrat as he refuses to join them and is NOT a Democrat!


Look at our kids. Nobody born after 1993 has even the foggiest notion what any Blue Dog or "moderate centrist" is talking about.
The reason is, they've NEVER KNOWN what our capitalist system felt like and worked like.
All they know, as adults now, is the Newt travesty, the Hastert Rule, 9/11, the 2007-8 meltdown, Obama being systematically denied even his constitutional right to lead, the Tea Party, lack of healthcare, higher education that costs as much as a Lamborghini, and Trump.
At this rate, they will never know what owning their own home feels like. They will never know the prosperity we grew up with prior to the 1980's.

So the moderates and centrists can get as hysterical as they want about "socialism" but when our kids hear it, it sounds like something that is a whole helluva lot more fair than what they've known their entire adult lives.

So they don't give a rat's ass about the hysteria, and the moderates and centrists only have themselves to blame because they stood back these last thirty-five years and hung their heads in shame and tried to appease Newt, Dennis, Bush and Trump and all the weaponized GOP operatives instead of fighting for what's right and just and fair.

And I don't blame these kids when they tell the moderates to go shove it up their bung-holes. Why would they feel any different?
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#321218 - 02/08/20 12:31 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Footnotes from Trump's America:

Dayton Kingery, a Connecticut native and student at Orange County's Chapman University, went on an expletive filled rant about "faggots and niggers" in class, and then when expelled by fellow students, grabbed another student's backpack and stomped on it, destroying the laptop inside. He was then arrested and booked on suspicion of making criminal threats and felony vandalism, and is no longer enrolled as a student at Chapman.
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