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#323671 - 03/31/20 09:47 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Trump was given to us by the decisions, actions and choices by both major parties back in 2016. Both nominated the most disliked major party candidates in our history. Well, going back to FDR and Truman when Pew Research and Gallup first began keeping track of favorable/unfavorable's of the candidates. here's the list.

Highest to lowest favorable/unfavorable ratings of each major party presidential candidate.
Favorable/unfavorable
1956 Eisenhower 84/12%
1964 LBJ 81/13%
1976 Carter 81/16%
1960 JFK 80/14%
1960 Nixon 79/16%
1968 Nixon 79/22%
1976 Ford 79/20%
1972 Nixon 76/21%
1968 Humphrey 72/28%
1984 Reagan 70/30%
1980 Carter 68/32%
1984 Mondale 66/34%
1980 Reagan 64/31%
1992 Bill Clinton 64/33%
2008 Obama 62/35%
2012 Obama 62/37%
1956 Stevenson 61/31%
2004 G.W. Bush 61/39%
2008 McCain 60/35%
1992 G.H.W. Bush 59/40%
2000 G.W. Bush 58/38%
2004 Kerry 57/40%
1996 Bill Clinton 56/42%
1988 G.H.W. Bush 56/39%
2000 Gore 55/45%
2012 Romney 55/43%
1972 McGovern 55/41%
1996 Dole 54/45%
1988 Dukakis 50/45%
1964 Goldwater 43/47%
2016 Hillary Clinton 38/56%
2016 Donald Trump 36/60%
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#323678 - 03/31/20 11:44 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Actually, if you bother to read my post, I was saying those 15% of Sanders supporters who won't vote for Biden contain personality cult members. But there are others in that 15% with other reasons. I'm sure some of them understand the issues well and are dedicated socialists who think four more years of Trump makes the revolution more likely.

Perfect is the enemy of good enough. Biden is "good enough" along with Democratic majorities in Congress, because that leads to reasonable judge confirmations, sane policies, and competent people running government agencies. Sanders may be perfect, but even if he won the Presidency the congress we would get will not support the majority of his ideas. That's just reality. Elect a progressive congress, and then a progressive President could get his ideas made into law. I actually support that, like I support single-payer. But it won't happen by reelecting Trump. It may not be possible if you reelect Trump.

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#323680 - 04/01/20 12:03 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I understand and realize there are a lot of folks to the left of the Democratic Party. Just like there are a lot of folks to the right of the Republican Party. That's life.

There are those, perhaps more than one thinks that will not vote for the lesser of two evils. That they want their perfect candidate or none. Some like I, voted third party whether than choose between two evils in 2016. How many stayed home, who knows? 6% of the total electorate voting third party against both major party candidates is the most since Perot ran in 1996. Perot had money, name recognition, media attention, an organization, ways of getting his message out, none of the third party candidates in 2016 had any of that, none of it. So 6% is really amazing. Compare that to 2012, 1.5% vote third party. In 2008 1.2% did and in 2004, 1.0%.

But is choosing the lesser of two the best choice or is sitting it out or voting third party? That is up to each individual to decide in my opinion.
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#323691 - 04/01/20 01:14 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I'm sure some of them understand the issues well and are dedicated socialists who think four more years of Trump makes the revolution more likely.


This is the part where I start laughing uncontrollably.
Not only won't there be a revolution with four more years of Trump, there will be open season on anyone who doesn't bow.

It won't be a massive wave, just sporadic "comeuppance", almost like school shootings. And even if that finally triggers a response, the response itself won't be a revolution.

There's a reason revolutions only happen in a country about once or twice in several hundred years. The reason is - NO ONE WINS one of those things, least of all the revolutionaries.

Someone eventually DOES WIN, but it's not who anyone really expects.
The people who "WON" the American Revolution? Most of them wound up tried in courts, imprisoned, bankrupted, stripped of their posts, and a great many of them were hanged or shot at dawn.
And a very few lived the rest of their lives in penury.

Revolution my rosy red ass, it's a crock of bull-shyte.
There won't be a revolution if Trump wins again, there will be a long seventy year period of fascism or there will be a world war.

Someone SHOW ME A REAL honest to goodness balls to the wall revolutionary, the kind with the charisma and personal power to spark the blastoff to freedom.

It's utter nonsense.
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#323694 - 04/01/20 01:47 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Hamish Howl]
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If people are too ornery to vote against Trump, then we all deserve everything that happens to us.


I'm kinda funny about this voting thing, I vote for people I think will do a good job. Cory Booker would have done a good job, Harris, Warren. Even Bloomberg would have been a capable executive.

I don't vote for people because they are not someone else. Do I want another four years of Trump? Feck no, I hate him worse than God hates sin. But the consequences of a Biden administration may be worse than a second Trump term. The next one might be a real Christo-fascist instead of just a grifter loved by Christo-fascists.
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#323695 - 04/01/20 01:53 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I'm sure some of them understand the issues well and are dedicated socialists who think four more years of Trump makes the revolution more likely.

Quite right, Slick! Although, as you know, I'm more a fan of evolution rather than revolution.
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#323696 - 04/01/20 02:11 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Loc: Florida
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There won't be a revolution if Trump wins again, there will be a long seventy year period of fascism or there will be a world war.

I've got $100 bucks I'll bet against that scenario. That's democratic hyperbole and it's cute that you've bought into it, or maybe made it up on your own. But it's bullshite.

Four more years may be more than Trump is going to actually live, if he should live through it he will most likely be replaced by a Democrat in 2024. Just as Biden will most likely be defeated by a Republican in 2024.

I can only hope that by then Democrats will be ready to elect a progressive rather than a regressive candidate.
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#323697 - 04/01/20 02:11 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
But the consequences of a Biden administration may be worse than a second Trump term.


You mean like how Hillz would have been worse than Trump? tinfoilhat ROTFMOL
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#323700 - 04/01/20 02:20 AM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Lemme show you what happens if we get four more years of Trump...

Hungarian parliament votes to let Viktor Orban rule by decree in wake of coronavirus pandemic

And no, not because of a pandemic, although one might be raging full speed ahead once again for all we know.
But that won't be the reason.

And you can bet that right now William Barr is frantically looking for any way possible to overturn the 22A, the one that restricts presidents to two terms.
And if not for Donnie, for his kids.

Worse than Trump - my ASS.
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#323715 - 04/01/20 05:34 PM Re: First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Registered: 11/21/19
Posts: 603
Loc: Tucson, AZ
Originally Posted By: Greger
But the consequences of a Biden administration may be worse than a second Trump term.


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