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#324074 - 04/09/20 01:13 AM Re: Questions [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: perotista
When you've been around as long as I have, you hear that about almost every president. At least since Reagan. The opposite party says the same or something very close. Republicans were calling those who followed Obama as Obama cultist or Obamabots.

So if one has a differing political view, a very partisan political view, is highly loyal to a political party while think the other evil, be it the president or political party or both. That's not uncommon.


How about when it's a person who spent most of their adult life as a Moonie, a real actual cult?

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On the afternoon of Nov. 18, 1978, Jim Jones called his followers to the central pavilion of Jonestown, a sprawling outpost in the jungles of Guyana, and ordered them to drink a lethal mixture of cyanide and fruit punch. Over 900 people perished that day, more than a third of them children. As he lay dying of a bullet wound to the head—a less painful way to go than cyanide and one that he probably orchestrated—Jones told his followers that it was “all the media’s fault. Don’t believe them.”


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As I argue in my upcoming book, The Cult of Trump: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How The President Uses Mind Control (Simon & Schuster), Trump has gotten where he is today in large part because he has exploited tactics straight out of that playbook. These include his grandiose claims, his practice of sowing confusion, his demand for absolute loyalty, his tendency to lie and create alternative “facts” and realities, his shunning and belittling of critics and ex-believers, and his cultivating of an “us versus them” mindset. These are the same methods used by Moon, Jones, and other cult leaders such as L. Ron Hubbard (Scientology), David Koresh (Branch Davidians), Lyndon LaRouche (LaRouche PAC), and, most recently, convicted trafficking felon Keith Raniere (NXVIM).

Take It From a Former Moonie: Trump Is a Cult Leader

I'm sure if you stick around long enough we will hear from some former Scientologists, too.
And I have a lot of real actual personal knowledge of that bunch.

No...sorry, this is not just partisan hackery.
I am actually envious of your position...you never did tell us what you do that allows you to be a secure one-income traditional family that echoes memories of decades past.

But it's definitely not what forms the bulk of today's working class families. You are lucky, you are fortunate, you deserve praise and respect for your ability to have secured your blessings and good fortune.

But in this day and age - - you and your lovely family are the EXCEPTION, not the rule.
And you can take that to the bank because today four in ten working American families cannot cover a four hundred dollar expense even if they are a double income family.
I've linked to that often enough that it's easy to find.

You can afford to laugh it off as mere partisan hackery because with your secure position, little if anything Trump does will negatively impact your future.

And like I said, I am mildly envious, but I mean that as a compliment.
Thing is, it also means that your frame of reference is distorted.
You can't possibly know what it means to be directly impacted.


Maybe my frame of reference is distorted. But I think it more as being a political realist. I don't belong to any political party, I'm not very ideological and surely not partisan as I vote for candidates from both major parties and from third parties as well. For whom I deem the best candidate regardless of party.

There's an old saying, Politics is the art of the possible. I study the electorate, especially independents, swing voters and have a fairly good record determining what is possible and what isn't. At least when it comes to payback for trying to do the impossible or even succeeding against the majorities wishes. 2010 was an example of succeeding with the agenda, but losing control of any agenda for the next six years, six wasted years. You have to be able to know how far to go and not go over that line. Going over means you'll going to pay dearly in the next election which is usually the first midterm.

If you want to think of Trump as a cult leader, be my guess. But in the end it isn't what you or I think of Trump, it is what those who go to the polls in November think. That is what I try my best to figure out, who wins in November.

Don't worry, I'm not voting for Trump, I'll vote for Biden. I always liked Joe, when he was a senator and as VP. It's a shame he isn't 10 years younger as I always said the Democrats needed this year was a fresh young face, if from flyover country, so much the better. They've had pretty good luck with that. Obama, Illinois 2008, Bill Clinton, Arkansas, 1992, Jimmy Carter, Georgia, 1976.
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#324078 - 04/09/20 01:42 AM Re: Questions [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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You can afford to laugh it off as mere partisan hackery because with your secure position, little if anything Trump does will negatively impact your future.

Luckily I'm in the same boat, no matter what Trump does I will(probably) continue to receive $1233 a month. You can be mildly envious of that too if you choose. It's pretty great having that big bundle of cash show up every month. If I'm careful there might a few bucks at the end of the month to buy food with.
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#324081 - 04/09/20 01:49 AM Re: Questions [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger

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You can afford to laugh it off as mere partisan hackery because with your secure position, little if anything Trump does will negatively impact your future.

Luckily I'm in the same boat, no matter what Trump does I will(probably) continue to receive $1233 a month. You can be mildly envious of that too if you choose. It's pretty great having that big bundle of cash show up every month. If I'm careful there might a few bucks at the end of the month to buy food with.


Don't be so sure about that money showing up every month.
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#324083 - 04/09/20 01:58 AM Re: Questions [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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When social security checks stop showing up it's the end of whomever might be President.
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#324085 - 04/09/20 02:06 AM Re: Questions [Re: Greger]
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It's the Despair Quotient!
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Originally Posted By: Greger
When social security checks stop showing up it's the end of whomever might be President.


Nope. Not with the propaganda juggernaut to end the entire social safety net. You're not even considering just how far the bottom really is with Trump.
You think Social Security is safe.
A lot of people think Trump will start a war, crash the economy or sit idly by while a pandemic rages and people die.
He's two for three now.

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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

-- Joseph Goebbels, Master propagandist of the Nazi regime and dictator of its cultural life for twelve years

The lie?

Social Security is a giant ponzi scheme that will drive up the debt and bankrupt the country, and it's SOCIALISM!
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#324086 - 04/09/20 02:09 AM Re: Questions [Re: jgw]
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All he needs is his propaganda machine and his accordion.

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#324087 - 04/09/20 02:16 AM Re: Questions [Re: jgw]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
It's the Despair Quotient!
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Posts: 15728
Loc: Whittier, California
If I buy a pizzeria
and three years later it
runs out of napkins, gloves,
hair nets and pizza flour...

It's the fault of the previous
owner.

So far, Trump has gotten a ton of mileage out of pounding that theory.
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#324089 - 04/09/20 03:22 AM Re: Questions [Re: perotista]
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Gee I was not a Clinton supporter. I did think she was infinitely more competent than Mr Trump. I was forced to vote for her.

Now about your reasons ... Sec Clinton was leading in national polls by a significant margin on the day Dir Comey made his statement. I said it immediately following the presser, that could have very well ended her campaign. And like the proverbial feces in a well her numbers dropped to about even. Now you can claim all you want that she was a terrible candidate, which was valid, but as a number cruncher you have to recognize the correlation between Comey and her drop in numbers (Oct 23, she lead by 12% but by Nov 7 her numbers had dropped to 2.2%) ... numbers don't drop like that if the candidate is bad .... they drop like that because of something dramatic happened ... if not, then your analysis or your interpretation of the numbers has become suspect
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#324093 - 04/09/20 06:22 AM Re: Questions [Re: jgw]
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A huge number of voters are either collecting Social Security or counting on it for their upcoming retirement. Many of them actually have nothing else. You cut or kill Social Security and you WILL lose the next election. 68% of those 65 and older voted in 2018. 38% of women and 33% of men age 18-29 voted. It's still the third rail of American politics.

Doesn't matter if they are FOX News watchers and staunch Republicans. When you cut their income, you are out of there.

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#324109 - 04/09/20 05:25 PM Re: Questions [Re: pondering_it_all]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
It's the Despair Quotient!
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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 15728
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
A huge number of voters are either collecting Social Security or counting on it for their upcoming retirement. Many of them actually have nothing else. You cut or kill Social Security and you WILL lose the next election. 68% of those 65 and older voted in 2018. 38% of women and 33% of men age 18-29 voted. It's still the third rail of American politics.

Doesn't matter if they are FOX News watchers and staunch Republicans. When you cut their income, you are out of there.


Nope...sorry but I disagree and the reason is, most of those voters won't recognize what's happening until it is way too late.
First, if they watch Fox, I guarantee you Fox will make it sound like they are SAVING Social Security, which is precisely what they HAVE been saying all along.
Every single time a Repuke gets on TV and announces plans or intentions to cut SS, it gets framed as "SAVING SOCIAL SECURITY" and the yokels buy the scam.

Look at how many people did nothing when their Obamacare got cut.
It wasn't until they went to upgrade, purchase or just renew that they found out what happened, and then it was too late.

Or...you get this:

"I thought the President was cutting (blank) only for those moochers who don't deserve it...you know, the libruls and commies, the welfare queens...those people. I didn't think he would hurt me, because I am a loyal conservative. I thought they were protecting us."
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