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#324007 - 04/08/20 02:25 PM Why your SARS Cov2 conspiracy theories all suck
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A 2015 scientific paper published in "Nature" Magazine is being heavily referenced by conspiracy theorists, peddling the false notion that SARS Cov2 was man-made, then deliberately or accidentally released to cause the current pandemic. This is a grave injustice to talented scientists, whose cutting-edge work from half a decade ago should have prompted (but didn't) an international effort to fund and support development of effective therapies and safe vaccines against Covid infections.

Pseudoscience nuts are referencing the paper because they do not actually comprehend it. With scientific papers it is important to read and understand the aims, results and discussion they contain before drawing conclusions. Alarmists point out in-lab generation or "engineering" of a coronavirus documented in the research as evidence for their outlandish claims. The method documented in the paper is "gain of function" research which provides the best assessment of the pandemic potential of any emerging pathogen. How else can scientists fully understand how a virus like this works?

The paper by Menachery et al is one of the best I've seen when it comes to explaining and demonstrating the interactions of coronaviruses with animals and humans. Yes, it documents the in-lab generation of a novel, species-jumping coronavirus. Virus sourced from bats was shown to recombine into a new virus in mice. The ability of the resulting virus to replicate in human respiratory tract cells was demonstrated. Antibody plasma therapy and vaccines were included in the study, showing that they were both ineffective and too risky to use.

The research behind this paper and others like it provided conclusive proof that the emergence of a new SARS Cov pandemic was a significant risk. It should have been the wake-up call for world leaders to pool resources into developing effective therapies for Covid infections, along with preventative vaccines safe enough to use in humans. Instead, it was ignored by politicians as epidemiologists around the world tried and failed to gain attention to the grave risk posed to humanity by coronaviruses. Now, this excellent research is being cited by conspiracy theorists as evidence that SARS-Cov2 is a biological weapon. Humanity at its finest.

Reference: " A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat c...ature, Nov 2015

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#324008 - 04/08/20 03:57 PM Re: Why your SARS Cov2 conspiracy theories all suck [Re: Integritas]
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I have been saying it for years ... Americans (also meaning the average person in the world) are too dumb or ignorant to properly analyze anything and derive logical conclusions.

How about Kudlow, a PhD? He is too ignorant or arrogant to understand or realize that because he can read a statistical analysis does not mean he can interpret it if it is in another field for which he has no, none, expertise.
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#324030 - 04/08/20 06:38 PM Re: Why your SARS Cov2 conspiracy theories all suck [Re: rporter314]
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I just tried to find out about Kudlow's phd. Seems he was in a master's program, in Princeton but left before completing it. There is, apparently no record of his phd, in sociology or anything else. He does, however, have a degree in history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Kudlow#Personal_life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Kudlow

Something a bit odd about this?

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#324047 - 04/08/20 11:04 PM Re: Why your SARS Cov2 conspiracy theories all suck [Re: jgw]
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He is trying to elevate his authoritarian status so Trump supporters can point to his expertise as an intellectual to prove smelling ammonia cures corona.
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#324097 - 04/09/20 07:05 AM Re: Why your SARS Cov2 conspiracy theories all suck [Re: Integritas]
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Pretty much all conspiracy theories suck for one simple reason: How many people would have to be in on it for it to happen? How many of them would end up dead because of whatever it was? The 9/11 hijackers were just a tiny group of suicide bombers in effect, and they managed to keep it secret for only as long as it took to get their flight training. It actually leaked out before the first plane hit a building.

For something like intentional bio-engineering and release of a virus from a virology lab would involve a LOT of people, and it's extremely unlikely all of them would be suicide culters. Especially because of all the harm it has caused to both China and the US, both of the countries supposedly behind it.

If you think rationally about any of these conspiracies they fall apart very quickly.

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#324101 - 04/09/20 11:47 AM Re: Why your SARS Cov2 conspiracy theories all suck [Re: Integritas]
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However, the people that believe these conspiracy theories are not rational thinkers. If they were, there would be no conspiracy theories.
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#324144 - 04/10/20 08:23 PM Re: Why your SARS Cov2 conspiracy theories all suck [Re: Integritas]
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Conspiracy theories are a false flag operation concocted by a conspiracy.
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#324153 - 04/10/20 11:48 PM Re: Why your SARS Cov2 conspiracy theories all suck [Re: Integritas]
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My rule of thumb is to never believe somebody else's conspiracy theory.

My own are always based on sound reasoning.
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