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#324434 - 04/14/20 11:45 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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Revolutions without plans...aren't.


We've got plans, and other than Biden they're working out pretty nicely. The progressive agenda is now the defacto platform of the Democratic Party. Biden has basically signed onto it.

So I could ask you the same question...what's the plan Stan?

I don't see much of a plan coming from either party to fix this mess, but our plan has been dismissed as socialism. Unworkable, impossible. etc.

Yes, yes, yes, I know...Trump Trump Trump Trump



You're calling me a Trumper now?
OMG Greger...wow, just wow. ROTFMOL
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#324435 - 04/15/20 12:43 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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You guys just go back and forth... Truth is, the new deal 2.0 isn't going to happen overnight. The electorate won't support it. Progressives, which I'm on the fringe, must understand their best chance at 2.0 is with the Dems. I see Biden as a nice, calming bridge to get to where many of us want to be. I'm a left leaning Blue Dog. Biden is the person to fill the spot that the Cheeto occupies now. My opinion only.
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#324436 - 04/15/20 12:54 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Livetoride]
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Originally Posted By: Livetoride
You guys just go back and forth... Truth is, the new deal 2.0 isn't going to happen overnight. The electorate won't support it. Progressives, which I'm on the fringe, must understand their best chance at 2.0 is with the Dems. I see Biden as a nice, calming bridge to get to where many of us want to be. I'm a left leaning Blue Dog. Biden is the person to fill the spot that the Cheeto occupies now. My opinion only.


I am in agreement.

We aren't just going to magically go from here to there.
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#324437 - 04/15/20 01:36 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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The plan is basically the same: Get rid of the dictator. Fix all the government agencies so they do what they were created for. Fix obamacare so it's solid and universal. Fix social security so it's funded now and in the future. Make state colleges and universities free to all qualified students. Find a path to eliminate student debt. Stop shitting on our allies. Stop sucking up to our adversaries.

It's just a matter of getting the majority of the American voters to agree, and figuring out a way to get from here to there.

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#324438 - 04/15/20 01:40 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Livetoride]
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Originally Posted By: Livetoride
You guys just go back and forth... Truth is, the new deal 2.0 isn't going to happen overnight. The electorate won't support it. Progressives, which I'm on the fringe, must understand their best chance at 2.0 is with the Dems. I see Biden as a nice, calming bridge to get to where many of us want to be. I'm a left leaning Blue Dog. Biden is the person to fill the spot that the Cheeto occupies now. My opinion only.

I agree. I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat. I never have come close to belonging to either party. I'm nothing more than a swing voter who usually splits his vote, no straight party line for me. I go by the candidates, not political party. Biden represents a return to sanity, a return to normalcy. That's enough for me. A calming bridge, that fits. A Bill Clinton type presidency would be ideal for me. Bill ranks behind IKE and JFK on as the best presidents I have experienced. I never voted for Bill, voting for Perot twice, but sometimes it takes the passage of time to appreciate what you had.

I don't want a ton of new programs whatever they are. Just someone to steady the ship. Someone to bring common sense back to government. Nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps 4 years from now I would be open for newer and better things, not now. No way. Let's just get someone in that I would be comfortable as the leader of this nation. Pretty simple.
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#324451 - 04/15/20 12:40 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
We aren't just going to magically go from here to there.

Haven't you gotten your magic money yet?

Ruby Red slippers are the real deal, bro... you just click the heels together.

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#324458 - 04/15/20 06:24 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I watched a Biden interview a couple of weeks ago. He was asked what he would do about Covid-19. His reply is what used to be the way. I may have mentioned it but, just in case. His plan is simple and what most good presidents have done over time. They find somebody who can manage a problem and put them in charge. They do the job and, then, the president claims victory and usually gets another term. If the dems win they will inherit some incredible messes. A collapsed economy, a really huge debt, serious healthcare problems, etc. ALL of which the electorate will expect gets fixed. This is what happens EVERY time the Dems take over! In EVERY instance they fix the inherited problem. Then the Republicans start to whine about the regulations, taxes, etc. They keep it up until they have so demonized the Dems that they can win the next election. This has happened everytime they win an election and they do it because the Dems never fight back, never explain how they came into power (even though they do get elected I am not convinced they have any clue but a sense of foreboding and little else). Instead the Dems to their jobs and get it done. This has been going on for a very long time, over and over again. Last one was when Obama took over.

This time, however, Obama will be standing behind Biden and together they WILL fix the problem because they have the experience, and will, to do exactly that. They will do it whilst getting beat up by the Republicans as well as the far left of the Democratic party, who will be continuously polishing their technique of whine and accuse (thereby actually helping the Republicans in their quest to win the next election).

Sorry, this is just the way it is as well as being the way it has been, for a VERY long time. I know, one would think somebody would get it and fix THAT. Not gonna happen! I continue to blame the mythic American Voting Public that always knows best (in myth and supported by all good wishful thinkers).

Of course none of the above happens if Trump wins the election. Another way to say that is to note that the Democrats have another long history. You know, the one where they screw it all up! That one starts with the infighting and, then, well you know..............

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#324461 - 04/15/20 06:37 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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If Biden wins, on January 21st Dr. Fauci will be running the Covid-19 program. Wouldn't it be lovely to actually have qualified experts in each field running all the government departments again? Wow, they might do what they were supposed to do to begin with!

I think Trump and his family will on an extended visit to Argentina or Russia by then.

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#324463 - 04/15/20 07:13 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I think Trump and his family will on an extended visit to Argentina or Russia by then.


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#324467 - 04/15/20 08:15 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: jgw]
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This time, however, Obama will be standing behind Biden and together they WILL fix the problem because they have the experience

Obama will likely have no hand in Biden's presidency and I'm okay with that. Obama's way of fixing things was to make the rich more secure in their wealth. But Jamie Dimon will probably be called back in to fix up Wall Street's problems again.
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