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#324671 - 04/22/20 11:08 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: jgw]
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Apparently, I have been told, Zoom is incredibly easy to hack.


But honestly who wants to hack a bunch of middle managers in their boxers shootin' the breeze in a private video chat? Maybe some disgruntled workers furloughed without pay while their bosses pretend to work from home.
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#324678 - 04/23/20 04:25 AM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: jgw]
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That University of Washington lab only accepts specimens from a licensed physician. I suppose you could talk your doctor into sending it, if you paid for it.

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#324684 - 04/23/20 11:09 AM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: logtroll]
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No, the first is the cause of the second. To bring back the second you have to tame the first. It is a domino thing.

Virus makes the jump to people and begins killing them.
To tame the virus, you have to contain the people.
You contain the people the economy stops.
To restart the economy, you need the contained people out buying and selling.
To have the people buying and selling, they have to be out making money
To make money, the people can not be contained
The people can not be released if the Virus is still out and about.
If the virus is still out and about and the people are released, the virus kills the people.
The virus kills the people, your economy collapses
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#324686 - 04/23/20 04:06 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Obvious truths, but not in Trump fantasy land.

Unfortunately, we are going to see massive surges in infection and deaths when reality bites all these Trumpsters in the ass. You can reopen the economy gradually, with a LOT of education about stopping the spread of the virus. You also need the ability to identify everybody with the virus, including the asymptomatic, and quarantine all their contacts. Public Health people have been doing this for a very long time. They know how to do it, but when Trump tweets the governors to open, and they do it with no such abilities, the result is totally predictable.

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#324687 - 04/23/20 04:51 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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In truth there are no free market solutions to anything.

The "free market" is a danger humankind and the planet which supports us.

A well regulated market is the solution.
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#324692 - 04/23/20 07:08 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: Greger]
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My friend, who told me that zoom was hacked also told me that a high school kid could do it. When I asked if that was who told him - he just grinned.

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#324693 - 04/23/20 07:14 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: logtroll]
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To iterate - I am REALLY in favor of a very small tax (even as little as a percentage of a penny per transaction). There are going to have to be tax increases after the election to pay for what has been going on for the last 3+ years plus the attempts at saving jobs, businesses, Trump enterprises, etc. A really good place to start is a transaction tax on every stock transaction. Given that the big guys have their computers automatically trading all day long (thousands and thousands of trades. The banks of computers alone are REALLY impressive!) this would general a LOT of needed income!

Google "computer generated stock trading" to see what I am talking about.

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#324699 - 04/24/20 01:33 AM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: jgw]
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Wasn't this why you hated Bernie? He wanted to implement a transaction tax on Wall Street. Suchlike has been judged socialistic in nature and must not ever occur.

But thanks for your vote of confidence in leftist solutions!

Google how does Bernie plan to pay for all that free sh*t...
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#324718 - 04/24/20 07:16 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Apparently, I have been told, Zoom is incredibly easy to hack.

Just saying...........


They had issues with people who made their meeting sign-on details public having people come in and disrupt the meetings (natch). They implemented a series of security protocols (the owner now has the ability to silence and kick out other members, waiting rooms to be allowed in, and ht elike.
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#324719 - 04/24/20 07:17 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
In truth there are no free market solutions to anything.

The "free market" is a danger humankind and the planet which supports us.

A well regulated market is the solution.


....I don't think those two things are as juxtaposed as you may presume.
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