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#325011 - 05/01/20 01:18 AM Michigan Rep. Justin Amash Takes Step Toward Libertarian Presidential Bid
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Rep. Justin Amash, a Republican-turned-independent from western Michigan, announced Tuesday evening that he is exploring a third-party bid for the presidency.

The five-term congressman and critic of President Trump said he's launching an exploratory committee to seek the Libertarian Party's nomination.

"We're ready for a presidency that will restore respect for our Constitution and bring people together," Amash wrote on Twitter. "I'm excited and honored to be taking these first steps toward serving Americans of every background as president."

- NPR

  • You're not going to be Preident
  • It's May, there are only six more months to the election
  • Nobody knows who you are
  • You'll siphon "Never Trumper" votes away from Joe Biden
  • You're going to guarantee that Trump is the re-elected
Why are Rightwingers such selfish, arrogant creeps? Hmm
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#325059 - 05/02/20 09:12 PM Re: Michigan Rep. Justin Amash Takes Step Toward Libertarian Presidential Bid [Re: pdx rick]
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I think a Libertarian is much more likely to siphon off reluctant Trump voters who are true conservatives. Given a more acceptable conservative candidate, Trump's share remaining might be nearer to his 33% base. I guess it comes down to the number of Republicans and right leaning Independents who dislike Trump enough to vote for Biden, versus the number of them who would vote for a Libertarian.

As for Libertarians who were going to vote for Biden, I doubt they exist.

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#325097 - 05/03/20 03:54 PM Re: Michigan Rep. Justin Amash Takes Step Toward Libertarian Presidential Bid [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick

  • You're not going to be Preident
  • It's May, there are only six more months to the election
  • Nobody knows who you are
  • You'll siphon "Never Trumper" votes away from Joe Biden
  • You're going to gurantee that Trump is the re-elected


I'm a NeverTrumper - the odds of me voting for Biden were about roughly equal with the odds of me voting for Trump: in the low single digits, if they existed.

Amash doesn't guarantee a Biden win or a Trump win, any more than a vote for a third party candidate is *really* a vote for a major party candidate. Nobody owns your vote, and it is incumbent on both men to secure the votes necessary in our system to actually win 270+ electoral college votes.

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Why are Rightwingers such selfish, arrogant creeps?


Well that's certainly a good way to win them over smile


Edited by CPWILL (05/03/20 03:54 PM)
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#325123 - 05/03/20 08:10 PM Re: Michigan Rep. Justin Amash Takes Step Toward Libertarian Presidential Bid [Re: pdx rick]
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He was asked if he was a spoiler. He replied that he was just offering a choice to the voters. Given how knowing the American voting public is, and how media will give him lots of free time on tv he WILL get votes. Hopefully not enough to screw it all up but possible.

Here is his 'conservative' score:
https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/justin-amash/

I hope somebody asks him if he wants to privatize the highway system or public education or the post office (amongst others)

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#325128 - 05/03/20 08:37 PM Re: Michigan Rep. Justin Amash Takes Step Toward Libertarian Presidential Bid [Re: CPWILL]
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Well that's certainly a good way to win them over

I don't think anybody is trying to win anybody over anymore.

The battle lines are drawn. It's a matter of turnout.

Which candidate can excite his base the most and get them out to vote.

If the crowded Biden rallies are indicative of anything...
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#325132 - 05/03/20 08:55 PM Re: Michigan Rep. Justin Amash Takes Step Toward Libertarian Presidential Bid [Re: Greger]
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I would welcome a libertarian into the fray! He wouldn't cost Biden as many votes as he would cost Trump because he is an exotic right winger who hovers around the center. He'd draw a goodly handful of right leaning independents though. Didn't some former governor just play for that crowd last time...? Gary somebody?
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#325133 - 05/03/20 08:57 PM Re: Michigan Rep. Justin Amash Takes Step Toward Libertarian Presidential Bid [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
I would welcome a libertarian into the fray! He wouldn't cost Biden as many votes as he would cost Trump because he is an exotic right winger who hovers around the center. He'd draw a goodly handful of right leaning independents though. Didn't some former governor just play for that crowd last time...? Gary somebody?

I disagree for the reasons cited in the OP. smile
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#325141 - 05/03/20 11:01 PM Re: Michigan Rep. Justin Amash Takes Step Toward Libertarian Presidential Bid [Re: pdx rick]
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Generally these guys take such a small percentage that they don't make a difference in the big picture. This character may or may not make it onto many ballots. He will help expose Libertarians as the frauds that they are.
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#325179 - 05/04/20 07:06 PM Re: Michigan Rep. Justin Amash Takes Step Toward Libertarian Presidential Bid [Re: Greger]
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ex governor of new mexico. He privatized the state prison system and almost broke the state with that one.

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#325185 - 05/04/20 08:24 PM Re: Michigan Rep. Justin Amash Takes Step Toward Libertarian Presidential Bid [Re: jgw]
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ex governor of new mexico. He privatized the state prison system and almost broke the state with that one.


And the answer from the privatized corrections system is to do a reality show called "60 Days In"...which makes a total mockery of corrections altogether, which if you've seen even one episode you'll understand right away.
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