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#325058 - 05/02/20 09:02 PM Re: Trump Officials Are Said to Press Spies to Link Virus and Wuhan Labs [Re: pdx rick]
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Lots of discouraging info in a Newsweek article about the Wuhan Virology lab. The virus is not man-made, but what they were doing is transferring bat corona viruses into ferrets, and then trying to get it to mutate into something that could jump into humans. If they succeeded, it would have no signature of intentional gene-jiggering. Not intentionally, like they were trying to hide what they were doing. That's just the process they were using. The reason they were doing this was to create a virus they could use in future pandemic research. It was actually considered worth support from US NIH! They shut off the funding because people in the Obama administration considered it too dangerous, but under Trump (and more directly under Dr. Fauci) NIH restored their funding.

Did some lab cage cleaner steal some of those ferrets to sell at the wet market about 9 miles from the lab? Did someone at the lab get an asymptomatic infection when they succeeded getting it to jump into humans, and then walk it right out the back door unknowingly? We'll never know, but they were working on creating something exactly like SARS-COV2.

All the claims in China that the US introduced it, and the claims in the US that China introduced it, are really a smoke screen: Looks like they both produced it as a joint project and it got away from them.

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#325074 - 05/03/20 02:30 AM Re: Trump Officials Are Said to Press Spies to Link Virus and Wuhan Labs [Re: pdx rick]
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The germ of malaria, LOL. The good professor has lost his marbles.

While I'm sure Trump will be pushing this narrative in order to shift blame from his incompetent response, I actually do think that having a freaking lab involved in coronavirus research 9 miles from the wet market is something that actually makes it credible that the virus escaped the lab. From this to claim biological weapon, intentional event, etc., there is a huge distance, but the lab safety being compromised like pondering_it_all proposed (the cage cleaner stealing a ferret, etc.) is not far-fetched. It might be more far-fetched to think of this incredible coincidence, that in this vast and populous country, the outbreak starts in the very city that harbors a lab doing animal/human coronavirus research but we need to suppose that it came from a market 9 miles away. That's not the only wet market in China... but Wuhan does have the only lab that was doing coronavirus research, apparently, if I'm not mistaken.
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#325081 - 05/03/20 04:10 AM Re: Trump Officials Are Said to Press Spies to Link Virus and Wuhan Labs [Re: pondering_it_all]
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The NW article was all speculation.

High probability virus is natural i.e. not man made or concocted in lab, is about only thing which is "known".

There is no evidence for your statement "Looks like they both produced it as a joint project and it got away from them. "
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#325083 - 05/03/20 04:26 AM Re: Trump Officials Are Said to Press Spies to Link Virus and Wuhan Labs [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
The NW article was all speculation.

High probability virus is natural i.e. not man made or concocted in lab, is about only thing which is "known".

There is no evidence for your statement "Looks like they both produced it as a joint project and it got away from them. "


I believe that what NW is saying (or his article is) is not that the virus was created (man-made) or genetically engineered, but rather, that a natural animal virus that was being studied at the Wuhan Virology lab in its ability to jump species, may have somehow escaped the lab.

Like I said, while there is no proof (that was made public) of this, I do think that it is a freaking unlikely coincidence that with all the wet markets all over vast China, the very one 9 miles from the one Virology lab that was studying coronaviruses in animal species, is where the epidemic is supposed to have started.

I don't think that it is far-fetched to speculate if an employee of the lab was inadvertently responsible for a security breach and the virus got loose.
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#325090 - 05/03/20 06:06 AM Re: Trump Officials Are Said to Press Spies to Link Virus and Wuhan Labs [Re: GreatNewsTonight]
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High probability virus is natural i.e. not man made or concocted in lab, is about only thing which is "known".


That's kind of the point: The process they were using to modify the virus is natural. This is not speculation. It is known fact from their scientific papers. It would not introduce anything that would look "lab made". All the mutation was being done inside of the ferrets, rather than in test tubes or culture plates.

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#325115 - 05/03/20 07:31 PM Re: Trump Officials Are Said to Press Spies to Link Virus and Wuhan Labs [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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High probability virus is natural i.e. not man made or concocted in lab, is about only thing which is "known".


That's kind of the point: The process they were using to modify the virus is natural. This is not speculation. It is known fact from their scientific papers. It would not introduce anything that would look "lab made". All the mutation was being done inside of the ferrets, rather than in test tubes or culture plates.


While I initially agreed with you on this, an American who worked at the Wuhan Virology Lab states that the likelihood that the virus came from there is very small:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-researcher-worked-wuhan-virology-121100299.html
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