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#325617 - 05/12/20 10:40 PM Re: covid-19 cure [Re: CPWILL]
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Exactly. Doctors operate under a very strict set of rules. It has to be that way.
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#325696 - 05/15/20 05:11 AM Re: covid-19 cure [Re: jgw]
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This kind of medical board action counters hundreds of cases of snake-oil salesmen for each case where they make a mistake. They are mostly right, but likely not in this case.

My wife may actually have something weird, being a veterinary pathologist. She's participated in all sorts of strange necropsies, including one I observed on an elephant. Whatever she has may be something that jumped from a animal and is never seen in America. (I don't think she ever did one on a pangolin!)

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#325703 - 05/15/20 03:27 PM Re: covid-19 cure [Re: jgw]
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Who knows anything about this STI-1499 and its effectiveness at protection us from SARS-CoV-2?

California biopharmaceutical company claims coronavirus antibody breakthrough

WARNING, Danger, Danger Will Robinson :doh: - the above is a FAUX NEWS Article
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#325709 - 05/15/20 06:40 PM Re: covid-19 cure [Re: jgw]
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I tend to keep a watch on India times for info on vaccines and cures. They do a good job and there are no politics to piss me off. This one is 5 hours old:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life...?picid=75760200

For no reason I will add this one too:
https://www.sciencealert.com/we-finally-have-a-way-to-convert-donor-blood-into-a-universal-type

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#325722 - 05/15/20 08:40 PM Re: covid-19 cure [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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What that fox news article failed to mention is that monoclonal antibodies are passive immunity: The "immunity" only lasts as long as those antibodies do, which is maybe a month or so. This treatment does not teach your immune system how to make the antibodies, which would last years (or maybe a lifetime). So as long as the virus is still out there, you could catch it again and need another monoclonal antibody treatment. And again. And again...

Sort of the perfect product, for the company making it. But getting a vaccination would be much better protection. Until then, though, this treatment would be great for patients in the early viral replication phase, or for prophylaxis.

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#325723 - 05/15/20 09:06 PM Re: covid-19 cure [Re: jgw]
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That Times of India article makes it sound as if the virus is mutating to become more deadly and to present more symptoms. Not true. It is mutating, but in places on the RNA strand that make little difference. If it did mutate on the spike protein enough to make vaccines ineffective, the spike protein probably would not work to get it into the ACE II receptor. So such mutations probably have occurred already, but there is very high selective pressure for it not to spread. (RNA viruses do tend to mutate a lot because they don't have the corrective capabilities of DNA.)

All those "new" symptoms are not new, just rare or not well-reported. For example the GI symptoms unreported led a lot of American doctors to rule out Covid-19 with any patient reporting diarrhea. But one report did say that 50% of Wuhan patients did report diarrhea as their first symptom. This wasn't in some early reports, and some reports say 5%. I don't know why. Maybe the food sanitation in Wuhan makes diarrhea so common they didn't consider a symptom? Maybe it's a cultural taboo to mention it?

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#325727 - 05/15/20 10:06 PM Re: covid-19 cure [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Maybe the food sanitation in Wuhan makes diarrhea so common they didn't consider a symptom? Maybe it's a cultural taboo to mention it?


The food sanitation in Wuhan?

The pics I've seen of Wuhan make it look like a major, modern city. One never knows, though, in terms of differences between the shiny downtown and poorer areas, but I'd be surprised if such a developed-looking city had issues with widespread diarrhea to the point of masking the symptoms of a new infection.



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#325750 - 05/16/20 05:00 AM Re: covid-19 cure [Re: GreatNewsTonight]
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Originally Posted By: GreatNewsTonight
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Maybe the food sanitation in Wuhan makes diarrhea so common they didn't consider a symptom? Maybe it's a cultural taboo to mention it?


The food sanitation in Wuhan?

The pics I've seen of Wuhan make it look like a major, modern city. One never knows, though, in terms of differences between the shiny downtown and poorer areas, but I'd be surprised if such a developed-looking city had issues with widespread diarrhea to the point of masking the symptoms of a new infection.





The pics I saw of Moscow bring to mind a modern city as well but if you get about five or six miles outside the metro area, it's the 19th century with the occasional rusted Lada and outdoor plumbing.

At least that's how it was in 1990.
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#325859 - 05/18/20 09:01 PM Re: covid-19 cure [Re: jgw]
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here is a list of top 8 vaccines by WHO. 3 of these are already in phase 2. So far they all seem to be working fine.

https://www.timesnownews.com/health/arti...ndidates/593374

Then there is the Trump Operation Warp Speed which is going to quickly give us all a functional covid-19 vaccine. The interesting thing about this one is that he seems to have hi-jacked the entire world supported search for the Covid-19 vaccine. Same 100 efforts, etc. which have been going on for some time but, now, its all American and Trump is in charge! Amazing! (I suspect there are one or two who might take exception to this one)

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#325897 - 05/20/20 02:14 AM Re: covid-19 cure [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
here is a list of top 8 vaccines by WHO. 3 of these are already in phase 2. So far they all seem to be working fine.

https://www.timesnownews.com/health/arti...ndidates/593374

Then there is the Trump Operation Warp Speed which is going to quickly give us all a functional covid-19 vaccine. The interesting thing about this one is that he seems to have hi-jacked the entire world supported search for the Covid-19 vaccine. Same 100 efforts, etc. which have been going on for some time but, now, its all American and Trump is in charge! Amazing! (I suspect there are one or two who might take exception to this one)


If Trump succeeds in fostering a warp-speed delivery of an effective vaccine by late October he will win re-election in a landslide.
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