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#325858 - 05/18/20 07:50 PM Re: Medications that might help against SARS-CoV-2 [Re: GreatNewsTonight]
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On a different note .... I have been sticking pins in a COVID voodoo doll .... and so far that seems to be working. Maybe Mr Trump does not know about this very effective therapeutic?
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#325864 - 05/18/20 11:17 PM Re: Medications that might help against SARS-CoV-2 [Re: GreatNewsTonight]
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Trump says he is taking hydroxychloroquine and zinc. He claims it's prophylactic. I doubt that very much. The next month should be interesting.

But here's why he is lying: He's says he is taking one pill per day. But he would have to be taking two, because there is no such pill as "hydroxychloroquine plus zinc".

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#325867 - 05/18/20 11:33 PM Re: Medications that might help against SARS-CoV-2 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Trump says he is taking hydroxychloroquine and zinc. He claims it's prophylactic. I doubt that very much. The next month should be interesting.


Trump lies. I'm sure he is not taking HCQ. He just wants to save face, given his ill-fated advice "you have nothing to lose, take it" being contradicted by more and more scientific studies.
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#325868 - 05/18/20 11:36 PM Re: Medications that might help against SARS-CoV-2 [Re: GreatNewsTonight]
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I see that the Eastern Virginia Medical School protocol got updated and now includes Famotidine 20 to 40mg per day as optional prophylactic, and Ivermectin 150 to 200 micrograms per kilogram, single dose, in case of symptomatic patient at home. They also added all the references.

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/d...19_Protocol.pdf
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#325872 - 05/19/20 12:05 AM Re: Medications that might help against SARS-CoV-2 [Re: GreatNewsTonight]
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Some of the ivermectine results have been pretty spectacular. This has the potential to save millions of lives in the Third World, were this stuff is a pretty common treatment for parasites.

Hopefully, people will not just run out a get a box of Heartgard for Dogs and eat 40 or so. You should be able to get a prescription from your doctor that is more precise and easier to get down.

VERY IMPORTANT: DO NOT TAKE any other formulation like Heartgard-plus with other drugs in it. 40 of those could kill you. It would be like aquarium cleaner all over again.

From a scientific viewpoint, this means that SARS-COV2 can't succeed unless it gets into the nucleus and screws up the cell's defense mechanisms.

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#325882 - 05/19/20 07:06 PM Re: Medications that might help against SARS-CoV-2 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Trump says he is taking hydroxychloroquine and zinc. He claims it's prophylactic. I doubt that very much. The next month should be interesting.

But here's why he is lying: He's says he is taking one pill per day. But he would have to be taking two, because there is no such pill as "hydroxychloroquine plus zinc".


I am convinced that *45's handlers just threw their hands up and decided to give him "Pirin tablets" and tell him it was HCQ.

What's a Pirin tablet, you ask?
"Let's go to the VIDEO TAPE!" LOL ROTFMOL

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#325883 - 05/19/20 07:11 PM Re: Medications that might help against SARS-CoV-2 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all

But here's why he is lying: He's says he is taking one pill per day. But he would have to be taking two, because there is no such pill as "hydroxychloroquine plus zinc".


My God, Trump isn't even good at lying anymore.
We could have had a better president with THIS GUY:



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#325884 - 05/19/20 08:09 PM Re: Medications that might help against SARS-CoV-2 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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This has the potential to save millions of lives in the Third World


Perhaps it's best we just let them go...their lives will never be anything but miserable anyway. They're already denied the simplest medicines and rely on rudimentary folk remedies and the internet for all their health needs. A well designed virus would have swept the world's ghettos clean...while totally avoiding affluent neighborhoods.
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#325962 - 05/22/20 07:06 PM Re: Medications that might help against SARS-CoV-2 [Re: GreatNewsTonight]
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Huge retrospective study published in Lancet:
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Researchers analyzed data from 671 hospitals on six continents, involving just over 96,000 patients hospitalized from Dec. 20 to April 14 who tested positive for the coronavirus. About 15,000 received some form of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine.

“We did not observe any benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine (when used alone or in combination with a macrolide) on in-hospital outcomes, when initiated early after diagnosis of COVID-19,” the researchers concluded. “Each of the drug regimens of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with a macrolide was associated with an increased hazard for clinically significant occurrence of ventricular arrhythmias and increased risk of in-hospital death with COVID-19.”


I downloaded the article and searched for "zinc". Didn't appear anywhere. It's nice to have a third replication of the VA and Colombia studies that hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine without zinc does no good. There have been some speculations that HCQ by itself might change the pH inside the cell, make the receptor less likely to bind to the virus, and such. Good to know those things have little effect. I would have tossed the very toxic chloroquine data myself, but that's their call.

Some of these studies and press pronouncements are going to look pretty stupid if HCQ + zinc actually does help. Even Trump said he's taking HCQ + zinc.

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#325965 - 05/22/20 08:58 PM Re: Medications that might help against SARS-CoV-2 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Huge retrospective study published in Lancet:
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Researchers analyzed data from 671 hospitals on six continents, involving just over 96,000 patients hospitalized from Dec. 20 to April 14 who tested positive for the coronavirus. About 15,000 received some form of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine.

“We did not observe any benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine (when used alone or in combination with a macrolide) on in-hospital outcomes, when initiated early after diagnosis of COVID-19,” the researchers concluded. “Each of the drug regimens of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with a macrolide was associated with an increased hazard for clinically significant occurrence of ventricular arrhythmias and increased risk of in-hospital death with COVID-19.”


I downloaded the article and searched for "zinc". Didn't appear anywhere. It's nice to have a third replication of the VA and Colombia studies that hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine without zinc does no good. There have been some speculations that HCQ by itself might change the pH inside the cell, make the receptor less likely to bind to the virus, and such. Good to know those things have little effect. I would have tossed the very toxic chloroquine data myself, but that's their call.

Some of these studies and press pronouncements are going to look pretty stupid if HCQ + zinc actually does help. Even Trump said he's taking HCQ + zinc.


Again, maybe it's just the zinc that is helping. I'm very skeptical that HCQ and CQ help because like I said, many patients do have normal levels of zinc so there is some zinc in the cells therefore if HCQ and CQ in the presence of zinc helps, we should see at least some benefit. The truth is, more and more, study after study, the benefit of HCQ and CQ is set as ZERO, NONE, NADA, even in initial phases of the disease.

With the thousands of researchers looking at it and the thousands of patients in studies, if HCQ and CQ had any traction whatsoever, we'd have seen it by now.

This is a leaking boat that will sink.
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