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#326574 - 06/12/20 05:10 PM Re: The Maximum Wage [Re: CPWILL]
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You made wise decisions over a long period of time, delayed gratification, lived on less than you made, and are an excellent description of precisely what I'm talking about. Well done indeed, sir smile.

You have a very infertile imagination, but a super solid ideology, it appears.
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#326609 - 06/14/20 03:48 PM Re: The Maximum Wage [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
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You made wise decisions over a long period of time, delayed gratification, lived on less than you made, and are an excellent description of precisely what I'm talking about. Well done indeed, sir smile.

You have a very infertile imagination, but a super solid ideology, it appears.


"Ideology" is simply a word that roughly covers "how you think things work". I've provided supporting evidence and citations for my ideology - math, history, and social science are pretty much on my side on this one.

The question isn't whether or not one has an ideology - we all do - it is whether or not your ideology conforms best to the available evidence.


Edited by CPWILL (06/14/20 03:49 PM)
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#326610 - 06/14/20 03:50 PM Re: The Maximum Wage [Re: logtroll]
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Americans enjoy a level of wealth and standard of living today unmatched in human history thanks to Free Market Capitalism

I reckon you will be posting some thoughts over in the "Wealth" topic? Since you are using the word, you must have something in mind about what it means.


I intend to, but - props - it's a really good question, and I want to sit and think for a bit first before I respond.
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#326638 - 06/15/20 11:14 PM Re: The Maximum Wage [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
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You made wise decisions over a long period of time, delayed gratification, lived on less than you made, and are an excellent description of precisely what I'm talking about. Well done indeed, sir smile.

You have a very infertile imagination, but a super solid ideology, it appears.

"Ideology" is simply a word that roughly covers "how you think things work". I've provided supporting evidence and citations for my ideology - math, history, and social science are pretty much on my side on this one.

The question isn't whether or not one has an ideology - we all do - it is whether or not your ideology conforms best to the available evidence.

This definition comports with my understanding of the word:
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An ideology is a set of beliefs or philosophies attributed to a person or group of persons, especially as held for reasons that are not purely epistemic, in which "practical elements are as prominent as theoretical ones."

Everyone does not necessarily have a particular ideology about a thing, especially if they remain open to new evidence and rationales.

It has been my intent in attempting to discuss Capitalism with you to present some novel evidence and rationales for you to use for re-evaluating your Capitalist ideology, if you are not too set in its theoretical bonds. So far I perceive that your Capitalist ideology is pretty well concreted in.
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#326641 - 06/16/20 04:55 AM Re: The Maximum Wage [Re: logtroll]
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Capitalist ideology


It's an ideology that has begun to change the very climate of this planet. It has created vast seas of plastic. It has begun the melting of the ice caps at the poles and raising the sea levels.

It's a powerful ideology.

Given free reign it will utterly destroy us.

Change my mind.
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#326642 - 06/16/20 07:33 AM Re: The Maximum Wage [Re: jgw]
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It's like fire: A great tool if you limit and control it. A huge disaster if you don't.
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#326644 - 06/16/20 12:19 PM Re: The Maximum Wage [Re: pondering_it_all]
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It's like fire: A great tool if you limit and control it. A huge disaster if you don't.

I wonder why some folks insist that a complex system of human interactions be named by one of its sub-systems, one that can’t even be accurately defined? It appears that reason for this irrational action is for the purpose of denying the existence of other components of the complete system that also can’t be accurately defined!
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#326650 - 06/16/20 05:46 PM Re: The Maximum Wage [Re: jgw]
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Remember, Republicans/Conservatives believe that ALL regulation is stealing freedom from those being regulated. That is why they hate government and want it gone. Politics have degrees and the current crop of Republicans/Conservatives have gone full right, for the most part. That is, basically, the problem with politics, there are degrees. The Democrats too have problems in that regard, in their case they go to far to the left if given half a chance. They do have, however, one step up on the other side in that regulation is built into their system of belief so that going that far tends to get regulated automatically.

I find it interesting that our media loves to cover the extremes, on both sides, with vigor and blather. I think that the middle just bores them - on either side.

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#326662 - 06/17/20 03:08 PM Re: The Maximum Wage [Re: jgw]
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Remember, Republicans/Conservatives believe that ALL regulation is stealing freedom from those being regulated. That is why they hate government and want it gone.


Uh. That is not even close to what they argue or want.

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I find it interesting that our media loves to cover the extremes, on both sides, with vigor and blather. I think that the middle just bores them - on either side.


How interesting, then, that you believed them about the other side, but not your own. wink


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#326663 - 06/17/20 03:12 PM Re: The Maximum Wage [Re: logtroll]
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It has been my intent in attempting to discuss Capitalism with you to present some novel evidence and rationales for you to use for re-evaluating your Capitalist ideology, if you are not too set in its theoretical bonds. So far I perceive that your Capitalist ideology is pretty well concreted in.


If you are attempting to present novel evidence or rationales, respectfully, I've not seen them. The idea that you have to pay for a service rendered is not, exactly, novel or something that would require a reevaluation of Capitalism.
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