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#324617 - 04/21/20 12:58 PM Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse?
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If there is, Im not seeing it. Maybe somebody here with a better understanding of such things can map it out for me? Thanks.
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#324620 - 04/21/20 01:42 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: logtroll]
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Thomas Paine idea for Basic Income... thought provoking.

Two kinds of wealth - that which a person creates, and that which exists naturally
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#324624 - 04/21/20 04:42 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
If there is, Im not seeing it. Maybe somebody here with a better understanding of such things can map it out for me? Thanks.


Is this the theory that no one will buy a vaccine?

Tell me, how are folks working from home nowadays? Anyone gotten on Zoom lately? smile
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#324625 - 04/21/20 04:52 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: CPWILL]
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Are the folks working from home making cars, building houses, producing food, distributing goods?

Nawp, they're they're phoning in orders to the folks who can't work from home.

How much you charging for that vaccine? Where can I get it? I've heard there is a powder which is readily available that cures it so no one else has to die. Louie Gomert told me that...

And what the feck is Zoom?
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#324627 - 04/21/20 07:10 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: logtroll]
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Anybody who can offer an easy and fairly reliable at-home antibody test for sale on Amazon, is going to make a fortune. We've done this for years for everything from pregnancy to THC. No reason we can't do it for SARS-COV2 antibodies. You would think Trump would be on Twitter every day demanding this, since it is the major obstacle to getting some people back to work.

Sure, not 100% safe. But FAR better than just sending everybody back to work without testing. And remember: PCR testing for the virus has a 30-40% false negative rate.

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#324632 - 04/21/20 08:03 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: logtroll]
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Last I heard there are over 40 antibody tests but only 1 has been authorized. I am not sure about the authorize thing. Seems to me that its taking waaay too long and I have often wondered if Trump has a tight hold on that agency and tends to hold those back who are not produced by them that 'contribute'. I googled "authorized covid-19 antibody test" and found a pile of stuff. Apparently there is only one covid-19 antibody test that has FDA approval. the University of Washington is going to be testing with a test from Abbot labs which is interesting because, as far as I can tell they swear by it but the FDA has not approved it. its interesting. The FDA has approved very little, when it comes to Covid-19.

I do know that when they really start to seriously test for covid-19 antibodies it will be a geniune game changer. So far there have been a couple of tests and they have both said that 60% of those tested seem to have the covid-19 antibody. The theory is that also means that they have had the virus and survived and, again in theory, can't get it again and also can't give it to somebody else. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, those two things have not actually been proven but, we are told, they are likely to be true. If that is the case then we have a game changer as all those, who have survived, can all go back to work. If you add in that it seems that there may be 60% of the population who have had covid-19 and survived, even if they were not aware of having had the virus!

I do know that there are a LOT of people working on this stuff, worldwide, and they are learning more and more stuff about the virus every day. Amazon, apparent, is setting up its own lab to develop their own serological tests for covid-19. (there are a LOT of places working on this one, the race is on, and its only a matter of time?)

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#324633 - 04/21/20 09:14 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Anybody who can offer an easy and fairly reliable at-home antibody test for sale on Amazon, is going to make a fortune. We've done this for years for everything from pregnancy to THC. No reason we can't do it for SARS-COV2 antibodies. You would think Trump would be on Twitter every day demanding this, since it is the major obstacle to getting some people back to work.


I'm generally pretty skeptical of government trying to steer market conclusions, but, this strikes me as an EXCELLENT place for government to offer an award for the first, second, and third companies to independently come up with such a thing.
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#324634 - 04/21/20 09:15 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Are the folks working from home making cars, building houses, producing food, distributing goods?

Nawp, they're they're phoning in orders to the folks who can't work from home.

How much you charging for that vaccine? Where can I get it? I've heard there is a powder which is readily available that cures it so no one else has to die. Louie Gomert told me that...

And what the feck is Zoom?


smile Zoom is the new Skype - internet meetings, conference calls, and the like. You end up looking kind of like the Brady Bunch intro - everyone's face in a different box on your screen.
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#324637 - 04/21/20 11:29 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: logtroll]
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That little topic went off the rails in a hurry...
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#324638 - 04/21/20 11:47 PM Re: Is there a free market solution for the pandemic and economic collapse? [Re: CPWILL]
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Zoom is the new multi-person meeting software for people working at home, but it seems people have no clue how to use it. Several group meeting have included background shots of spouses walking around naked, getting into the shower, meeting participants in various states of undress, etc.

Very embarrassing for the one who screwed up, but good for a laugh all around. Adds a bit of humor in these difficult times.

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